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Post by otherego on Jul 31, 2011 15:47:03 GMT
Nice to see so many familiar "faces"! Thought I'd also use my eBay user-name, although it looks distinctly similar to the name of at least one e-cig - if that's a problem, I could always change it. A friend is thinking about trying e-cigarettes. I promise it's not me - my last ciggie was stubbed out 11 years and five days ago. I wish e-cigs had been around then. I promised to do some research and goodness, but I'm befuddled. Could I take the liberty of asking a few questions? He smokes 20 to 25 ordinary ciggies a day (Benson and Hedges in the silver packet, I think). I've been thinking along the following lines, but would welcome alternative suggestions - especially where I really don't know what I'm talking about. Which is most of it. The mini e-cigs would probably be unsuitable - he needs something that'll match his packet and a bit per day, in terms of battery life and the number of cartridges he carries around (say 1 cartridge = 3 ciggies? He inhales pretty positively.) So I'm probably looking at something along the lines of a Riva. Still not sure what "510" and "900" mean. Confirm the numbers refer to the specification of the threads used by the various components - and also that 510s need a button pressing for the atomiser to heat? Can any "generic" 510 parts (atomisers, cartridges) be used with any 510 product, or is there a risk of battling to get suitable parts, or running into limits on experimenting with different parts, for specific e-cigs? I like the looks of this one: www.freedomvape.co.uk/shop/article_2001-001/Riva-510-Starter-Kit-%281100-XL-batteries%29.html?shop_param=cid%3D2%26aid%3D2001-001%26but I'm a little concerned about the warning with respect to low resistance atomisers and Riva batteries. At risk of sounding really thick, does that kit include batteries which could be used with low resistance atomisers or not? I see they are 1100mAh batteries. Come to that, would I be asking for trouble by getting something with standard resistance atomisers? Again, not much point if the result is feeble enough to be off-putting. And since atomisers seem to have a short life span, presumably one should purchase additional ones (making a total of five, say?) with an e-cig. In this case, I'd be inclined to try to find a couple of low resistance atomisers, too. Told you I really have no idea what I'm on about. Onto fluids/cartridges - I'd guess he'd need to carry about eight cartridges - he's out and about most of the day. (Presumably means a minimum of two batteries, too.) I'm guessing that refillable cartridges are the way to go - so if I buy the Riva linked to earlier, those supplied should keep him going, along with a bottle of e-liquid. How long is a 10ml bottle likely to last a 25-a-day smoker? I'm wondering whether it would be wise to get an extra bottle or two. And what would be a good choice of flavour for a beginner? Presumably something that tastes as much as a normal cigarette as possible? I was also thinking that, where the choice exists, I should look for 24mg strength to start with. Might this prove too low? Finally - please confirm that "e-liquid" is the nicotine base, and that the "dilutant" is used to control the strength? And what exactly is used to dilute the liquid - I've seen both propylene glycol and glycerine mentioned - probably really demonstrating my ignorance there! Sorry about the length of that for a first post. I need to go for a walk to clear my head, and to shop for groceries, alas. I'll probably drink a couple of the groceries later to work up the courage to make a decision and buy a starter kit - but if anyone has any suggestions before I take that step, I'd really appreciate them. Many thanks for reading all this.
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Post by VE Jason on Jul 31, 2011 16:53:31 GMT
Hi Otherego and welcome The kit you have linked to would be just fine for your friend. I would stick with standard resistance stuff to start with and if your friend is out and about most of the day, I would consider cartomisers instead of cartridges. They hold more liquid and are cheaper in the long run. 24mg is, in my opinion, too high to start with. I would say 18-20mg and then increase if needed. Hope that helps
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Post by VE Jason on Jul 31, 2011 16:55:19 GMT
Sorry, didn't see the last bit.... E-liquid is the overall product. It is made up of Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerine, Nicotine and Flavourings. The PG and VG are the dilutants.
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Post by Jemima on Jul 31, 2011 17:56:31 GMT
Hi Otherego, The folks here will see u right, they are amazing and no question is to stupid. Ive only recently started with the e-cig myself, and used to smoke about the same amount as yoru friend, only I was Regal not B&H (is silver the lights?) I have found the Riva 510 to be an excellant choice for me. As far as I'm aware it's a lot more interchangeable with other options than a 900. I think your right and the numbers are the connecter sizes. 510 seems to be the most common therefore more choice To be honest, I'd start off with what you need (the kit, some spare atomisers and ejuice) and as your friend tailors it to his day and week he can look around and make the choice on what extra accessories will work for him (tanks, LR, cartomisers etc). I found the choice and variety very overwhelming, and i still dont understand about 80% of it lol. I just wanted to get a basic idea and learn from there. I went with the LNB juice, figured it was going to be as similar to regal as i could get, when it comes to juice everyone will tell you that taste is subjective, so maybe check out one of the pick and mix options on juice. Try a few different tobacco flavours and mayeb a fruit or 2. I got 20 ml bottle and have used about 5 ml so far, Ive been going for about 3 days on that, still smoking a few ciggys a day so I prob should of used about 10ml so far. If he buys a case to carry his cartridges/ battery in he can also stash a bottle of juice in there and refill as needed. Once u get the hang of it its not as messy as the first attempt lol and it really does only take a few seconds, I'd say no longer than making a rolly. I did have a problem with not enough vapour to start off with, but that turned out to be a dodgy atomiser, once I'd changed it I was very happy with the amount of vapour. This is the thread that I made with all my questions, you may find a few tips to help you out also. allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=newmembers&action=display&thread=2847
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Post by otherego on Jul 31, 2011 19:31:19 GMT
Many thanks for all that info, Jason and jemima. I really appreciate it. And even more good stuff in the link to the other thread - this forum's already so big that it's hard to read through everything available, and your answers have really helped me narrow down options.
It makes sense (now) to start with just the basics. Might motivate him to actually learn to use a forum himself when he needs more information! Although since he has finally succumbed and now has broadband, he's running short of excuses.
Seriously - I think he and his wife will both be keen for him to actually give this a try, and I think I've got enough gen now to at least help get the ball rolling.
Many thanks again for your trouble.
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Post by Jemima on Jul 31, 2011 20:27:51 GMT
Happy to help where I can Like I said I've only been doign this for 4 days now, imagine how much information the other members can share Tell him to get his ass in here and say hi, his questions can't be as daft as mine were lol
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Post by Lilac on Jul 31, 2011 21:22:10 GMT
Hi and welcome, Other... you've already had good advice, your friend can't go far wrong with a Riva, regarding the atomisers, the 510 is regarded as giving the strongest throat hit, while the 901 gives better flavour...i'm a 901 gal myself, but i would say the 510's seem to be more popular.. Juices can have a base of either VG (vegetable glycerine) or PG (propylene glycol) or a mix of both, VG gives more vapour, while PG gives more throat hit, a mix of both would be the best of both worlds if he can, a few 5ml bottles of different flavours would be good to buy, until he sees what he likes, then he could buy bigger bottles, juices we like initially, we often go off after a few weeks, so best to wait before ordering the 30ml bottles.... If your friend gets the 510 Riva and wants to try the 901 atomiser, he just needs a 510 - 901 adapter, he could either buy one, they're not expensive, or shout on here and i'm sure someone will have a spare one... another great supplier for juices is James @ www.paradisevapeuk.com/there's loads more......but best to just start, see how he gets on before he starts branching out with more complicated stuff, don't want to go to overload, lol
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Post by otherego on Jul 31, 2011 21:52:42 GMT
Thanks for all that, jemima and Lilac.
I've gone ahead and ordered the Riva 510 starter kit from FreedomVape, along with 10ml of B n H tobacco flavoured juice and 5 x 5ml "exotic" flavours. Hopefully that will be enough to get him started. I'm hoping that he'll need nothing more complicated than a syringe to fill the cartridges - must have spent about five hours on this today and I think I'll defer the YouTube etc tutorials to another day!
Hopefully the atomisers will last long enough for him to decide whether or not he's carrying on - by which stage I sincerely hope to have introduced him to a) this forum, as urged by jemima, and b) the mysteries of on-line purchasing.
Thanks again for all the advice - I'll post back if /when he tries it out - unless I can persuade him to post here himself, of course...
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Post by Clutter on Jul 31, 2011 22:47:16 GMT
Waves hello to Otherego I've just bought a Riva kit for my emphesymic friend. She was impressed with my 901s so having introduced the concept to her I was unable to resist a kit on offer on another forum
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Post by Chrissie on Aug 1, 2011 9:58:28 GMT
Hello & welcome Otherego You have made a good choice in buying the Riva for your friend I spent most of yesterday with a friend of a friend who had bought a super-mini a couple of weeks ago. She was fairly happy with it, but couldn't believe how much better the Riva was when she had a go with mine. Do get your friend to pop in here & at least have a read of the pics & vid thread to help them get a basic understanding of the e-cig - allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=newmembers&thread=2349&page=1#54694
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Post by MIDIManNI on Aug 1, 2011 14:47:32 GMT
Hi Otherego
Riva-510 was my first proper device and it really is a good place to start.
You mentioned using Low Resistance Atomisers on it and there will be some vapers who will tell you that they have had no problems in this area whatsoever...On the other hand, I have had 2 Riva-510 batteries totally trashed by the same LR Cartomiser - they fired up and wouldn't stop firing - only way I could stop it was to unscrew the Cart from the battery - RESULT - Dead Battery...!!!
I was speaking with Lisa over at Cloud 9 Vaping where i purchase most of my kit and she did say that they Riva 510 battery is really not designed for use with LR Attys - in fact she even has a disclaimer on the Product to that effect!
Still - a good choice of starter device.
Later...
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Post by VE Jason on Aug 1, 2011 15:21:22 GMT
Hi Otherego Riva-510 was my first proper device and it really is a good place to start. You mentioned using Low Resistance Atomisers on it and there will be some vapers who will tell you that they have had no problems in this area whatsoever...On the other hand, I have had 2 Riva-510 batteries totally trashed by the same LR Cartomiser - they fired up and wouldn't stop firing - only way I could stop it was to unscrew the Cart from the battery - RESULT - Dead Battery...!!! I was speaking with Lisa over at Cloud 9 Vaping where i purchase most of my kit and she did say that they Riva 510 battery is really not designed for use with LR Attys - in fact she even has a disclaimer on the Product to that effect! Still - a good choice of starter device. Later... I don't doubt your experience with the cartomiser Ivan, but a dodgy cartomiser can damage a battery regardless of whether it is low resistance or not. If the carto fired up and wouldn't stop firing - it was a faulty item. That said, I do prefer not to see dual coils or anything below 2ohms used on anything but the bigger battery mods.
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Post by MIDIManNI on Aug 1, 2011 17:06:41 GMT
Jason
The Cartomiser in question worked fine on my SD Mk2 before and after the Riva incident...but as I said it completely fried 2 Riva 510 Batteries. Lisa was very kind and replaced one of them free of charge but did say that there had been "issues" with using LR stuff on that sort of battery!
I'm certainly still a newomer to vaping but from now on LR and DC goes on the SD or the UltraMax and standards only on the Riva...!!!
[BTW: I enjoyed my Sample Pack of Griz's Juice that I got last week and the extra bottle was a delightful bonus...thanks!!!]
Later...
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Post by VE Jason on Aug 1, 2011 17:09:59 GMT
Yes, I would agree with using the SD and UltraMax Ivan. Better to be safe and less that can go wrong with any of them. Glad you liked the Recipes
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Post by birdy on Aug 1, 2011 17:21:30 GMT
Freedom Vape was a good choice to get the starter kit you mention - good gear and superb polite rapid service and quick to act if any problems arise .Have had some problems myself frying batteries on riva when LR atomisers have been introduced so please ask supplier what not to use and stick to it . Happy Vaping.
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