Screwdriver Problems

[ragjoy]

Apr 29, 2010 19:52:11 GMT Chrissie said:

Apr 29, 2010 17:51:13 GMT keef said:

Trog has named the New breed RN atty .... The Gazzamizer

I thought it was Gazza that named it the Gazzmizer

no his suggestions were rejected,trog then came up with the gazzamizer.
as stated there i thought it sounded a bit like gazza is a miser
ragjoy

[Chrissie]

PMSL Raggy

[Scylla]

I flooded my SD from stem to stern today I think I topped up repeatedly when I actually had a flat battery, and it went right thru the adapter and the screw fitting right up to the button.

Is it possible to soak the button end in hottish Fairy liquid solution? I don't like to "scrub" the inside of the button with tissue, it might do some damage.

It's working now, but am thinking it should be thoroughly cleaned.

scylla

[keef]

I would not put fairy liquid near anything.

Good for dishes and windows but its full of salt.

The bottom part of the SD - it is the old one you have with the solid button ??.

tbh I see e-liquid more like lubricant than something that eats its way through stuff ....
If I thought it would damage metal or plastic I would not be inhailing it.

I think there are no wire/chips or all that jazz so If you really need to, should be fine sticking it under the hot tap.
Turn it upside down leave it to drain ..... try dry any residue with cotton buds or such ..... attack with a hair dryer....... you got the picture .

If you like I will go ask Trog that this is OK to do this if you like ....... I have never cleaned a button infact I never clean any of it unless I am absolutely forced.

The top I know works fine with e-liquid dripping thru it and the batteries are also fine as long as you wipe the top and bottom.

[ragjoy]

Apr 30, 2010 18:15:43 GMT Scylla said:

I flooded my SD from stem to stern today I think I topped up repeatedly when I actually had a flat battery, and it went right thru the adapter and the screw fitting right up to the button.

Is it possible to soak the button end in hottish Fairy liquid solution? I don't like to "scrub" the inside of the button with tissue, it might do some damage.

It's working now, but am thinking it should be thoroughly cleaned.

scylla

scylla,what was you filling with!!!!!!! a watering can

as for cleaning ive no idea, alcohol i would think would clean it.
i will go find out for you if i can.
ragjoy..........

[ragjoy]

advise is as keef has said,but with a little fairy.
ragjoy.........

[ragjoy]

i dont know what happened there as i posted my (i will go ask) post ages ago and its only just appeared.
ragjoy...........

[Scylla]

Thank you both It looks as though I haven't done any serious harm.

I don't use a watering can, Raggy, but I do tend to drift off when I'm doing things that require attention

scylla

[Scylla]

I think it's because we're missing posts on a new page, Raggy, I do it all the time.

scylla

[Chrissie]

Not sure about doing it with the SD but I've scrubbed my GG attie cap with an old toothbrush & soap. Then a good rise in hot water.

[buckowski]

Anyone seen the post on the SD forum about what I'm presuming is a new returns policy?

Trog says it may be cheaper and easier to buy a new SD rather than return a dead one, as free fixes are a thing of the past due to new half price and Bogof's. Can still return them but charged for fixing.

A think a woulda preferred the normal price lol.

[Chrissie]

May 7, 2010 15:48:30 GMT buckowski said:

Anyone seen the post on the SD forum about what I'm presuming is a new returns policy?

Trog says it may be cheaper and easier to buy a new SD rather than return a dead one, as free fixes are a thing of the past due to new half price and Bogof's. Can still return them but charged for fixing.

A think a woulda preferred the normal price lol.

Hmmm all I can say to that is that same as with TW on multi-packs, Trog's new policy doesn't sit well with Distant selling regulations

[ragjoy]

frankly, its totally illegal,you can not as a company sell anything as sold as seen or no warranty (well they can write or say it but it dont hold water) .
and they wonder why theres a ban coming,when they dont even comply with the law on the sale of goods act.
with regard to attys,if you bought 30 @ £2 cheaper than the normal price (there choice to sell them cheaper),that means you are as a consumer are buying in a sale of sorts ( a years supply) if you get to the last ten and there duff (after 280 days) they still have to carry a guarantee ie 14 days minimum use.
can you prove it,well if you have bought 30 attys then according to there figures they should last at least 420 days.
any company is not selling in 5s, 10s or 50s to do you a favour, they are doing them a favour and the sale of goods act will apply.
i could go on.........
raggy..........

[Chrissie]

For anyone still having problems with your Screwdriver - it's all your fault cos you are one of the bad guys

Info to help, posted by Trog on his forum :

i will try and list known SD issues.. some are general e cig issues.. or what can go wrong with them..

they all come under one main heading.. bad electrical contacts..

first problem the atomizer to battery contact.. the center part here is the problem part.. both the small center connections have to pressed together and make good electrical contact..

both connections sit in soft rubber grommets.. there is a certain flex or give in these grommets.. there has to be because not all the centers are the same height... you can feel this "give" when you screw in an atomizer the last half a turn is where it is..

now should all atomizer fit all battery connections of the same style.. in theory yes but in reality no.. the give (soft flex) in the grommet gets squidged up.. the more swapping and changing takes place the more this is likely to happen.. each swap and change makes the possible bad connection more likely to happen..

a perfect scenario is fit a new atomizer and leave it there in place until its ready for chucking.. some people do this some people are constant swappers.. most probably sit somewhere in the middle..

a simple statement of fact.. constant swappers are far more likely to hit problems here than those who simply fit and forget.. the real "bad guys" would be those who both constantly swap and excessively over tighten each time.. the good guys are those who simply fit and forget and dont over tighten..

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the next one.. short circuits at the atomizer to battery connection.. this is mostly down to crushed grommets and is also related to over tightening and constant swapping.. the same "bad guys" are are likely to cause this to happen.. the same good guys are not likely to cause this to happen..

this is made worse by folks keeping a box full of old atomizers.. throwing them away seems to go against the grain.. extreme example.. buy a new SD body only or an adapter.. test each one of your twenty or so old atomizers on it to see if any of them still work.. these are very very bad guys.. we have a whole bunch of swapping going on and some shorted out atomizers.. do people do this.. yes they do.. so we have some bad guys and some good guys at work again..

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specific SD problems.. again they are now all at the atomizer end of the SD body.. the switch end is pretty fool proof..

the twisted off wire factor.. probability very very low.. more so with later SDs..

foggy does some bad soldering.. again probability very very low.. he is good at it.. so basically we can forget the wire factor..

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this leaves two other known issues.. one is those big body threads.. in theory two bloody great contact areas like that should not suffer from bad electrical conductively.. but we know sometimes they do.. greasy e liquid is the main cause of bad contact here.. a weekly clean seems par for course.. very very rarely a normal clean dosnt do the trick.. lets talk (if the normal clean fails) a small wire brush on the threads here..

the other known issue which can cause instant total failure and again should not happen but we know it sometimes does is a bad electrical contact between the pressed in aluminum collet that holds the atomizer connections and the main SD body..

this one always shows up after a drop.. again its one of those weird things that should not happen but we know it occasionally does.. a sharp downwards tap on solid block of wood or a endways squeeze in bench wise has it all working perfectly again..

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i am giving out this stuff for two reasons.. some users are tech savvy and will always like to know and be able to do their own quick fix.. those not so tech savvy might be more aware of what to do and what not to do..

our point of view is a simple one.. the less problems our users have the less problems we have... we do try our best to minimize problems.. we have nothing to hide and we are also in a position to tweak and alter as we become aware of user problems.. we make the things.. we sell the things.. we are part of a small team..

we do test everything before its shipped and we do know all about potential issues.. the nature of an SD and how its used tends to say something will go wrong sometimes nothing is perfect.. which is why we advice always keep some spare parts and one SD is not enough.. more than one for long term use is essential..

we do make the SD for the long term user.. we always have..

we always used to say send your SD back for service when it needs it.. our current super low prices kind of confuses the issue here.. this is not our choice simply market forces at work.. to be blunt cheap chinese price competition is driving the market.. it is now debatable which makes the most sense between simply buying a new bit or getting your old one serviced..

trog
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[foxy9212]

Thanks for posting Trog's advice Chrissie - so helpful.

I use my SDII mainly with a 510 atomizer and adapter and apart from the odd wicking problem with carts at the beginning, I've had no problems at all.

I clean all my contacts using a Johnson's Baby Wipe (I'm sure all the other brands are just as good lol) then polish up with a dry cloth or shine up with a Goddards Long Term silver polishing cloth (again I'm sure all the other brands are just as good ).

I'm not a 'swapper' therefore am a good guy I am!

Fox