Please help make this study happen

[kailey]

Sent my little bit in support.

[gibla53]

Now $9794 ($23000 reqd) 259 funders

[VE Jason]

I've donated to this (personally - not via the company).

But, I have what I think is a valid question and will put it up for opinion (Lions Den here I come )

If Dr F has found a possibly harmful chemical/contaminant/additive in samples of e-liquid - why not just name it so that all manufacturers and vendors can check whether it's contained within the products that they produce/sell and arrange for it to be removed from future production?

Why spend $23K on it before naming it?

Surely the same end result will be obtained by naming it now, if it is already known to be harmful in the long term, but quicker and in everyone's best interest.

It only takes an email from a vendor to check whether a manufacture/supplier has it in the ingredients.

Maybe there is more to it than that ???

[gordy180]

Surely its up the the liquid producers to make sure their product is as safe as possible and not the consumer to fund testing

[Carpe Vapor]

I think he was asked the same question in the VTTV video recently

He answered that naming it this early without fully testing a range of juices under controlled conditions may stop some manufacturers bothering to check their uices as they may be under the assumption that their juices aren't involved or don't contain the chemical.

He also said that afte the study they will not name specific names or brands of juices only the flavours so that all manufacturers must or should look at their juices, which can only be a good thing I believe.

[fiddles]

Jan 18, 2014 21:17:28 GMT VE Jason said:

I've donated to this (personally - not via the company).

But, I have what I think is a valid question and will put it up for opinion (Lions Den here I come )

If Dr F has found a possibly harmful chemical/contaminant/additive in samples of e-liquid - why not just name it so that all manufacturers and vendors can check whether it's contained within the products that they produce/sell and arrange for it to be removed from future production?

Why spend $23K on it before naming it?

Surely the same end result will be obtained by naming it now, if it is already known to be harmful in the long term, but quicker and in everyone's best interest.

It only takes an email from a vendor to check whether a manufacture/supplier has it in the ingredients.

Maybe there is more to it than that ???

No lions den here from me 100% AGREE

If something harmful found tell us now not let us carry on vaping for it another 2 or 3 months, better safe than sorry

Jan 18, 2014 22:32:42 GMT Carpe Vapor said:

I think he was asked the same question in the VTTV video recently

He answered that naming it this early without fully testing a range of juices under controlled conditions may stop some manufacturers bothering to check their juices as they may be under the assumption that their juices aren't involved or don't contain the chemical.

He also said that after the study they will not name specific names or brands of juices only the flavours so that all manufacturers must or should look at their juices, which can only be a good thing I believe.

I see it another way

Why bother with the tests if he isn't going to tell us which brands contain it (harmful substance). If he named brands people could effect change by not purchasing said liquid. Would be like government finding something harmful in tesco bread & announcing all supermarket Bread might be dangerous, it wouldn't happen they would name them. The tests are being funded by the public so ALL details should be made public, maybe the cynic in me but something just doesn't seem right to me with this whole affair

[Carpe Vapor]

That was my initial thought on it too, but when I watched the VTTV video and he explained why, it made total sense.

They are only testing 100 liquids from USA and Europe, if they named the chemicals and brands only a handful of liquid producers who produce those brands would (hopefully) clean house

There may be other liquid producers which he hasn't tested that continue to produce tainted liquid and the public would be none the wiser to it. Therefore problem only half solved.

However, if he names the chemical and flavours which contain it, all those liquid producers that produce that flavour wil look at cleaning house.