whats better and why/ mod or vv vw mod

[flynn]

have now been using my zmax now for just over a year,vapping on the kayfun lite which i enjoy .i cant use a1 wire over 0,20 which is ok .now i,m looking at mods with no vv or vw on them and thinging whats the differents between the two ,looking at the mods they seem a lot smaller.first question if a mod is all power how do you regulate the power,

[Greg]

With a mech mod you don't regulate the power unless you use a kick. Kick free you get max voltage from a fully charged battery and the output declines as the battery discharges.
The advantage is you can use sub ohm coils if you wish which you can't with many vv/vw mods, of course the lower the coil resistance the quicker your battery will run out.

Why can't you use wire over 0.2 ?

[flynn]

i dont know if its the vv vw i am using but if i try to rebuild with a bigger wire it wont fire on it ,when i use a1 0.20 i can get say with 4wraps it shows between 1.50 more than 4 and it goes up ,but i am happy with 1.50 or 1.70 ,was thinging maybe there nt enough battery power and thats why if i use a bigger wire size i wont work ps any wire i get its from the vape mesh company in the passed they sent out wrong wire size but they replaced it with what i ordered  

[Greg]

Try microcoils with 0.25 or 0.3, easy enough to get 1.5 to 1.8 with those

[hijack]

Thicker wire will give less resistance so .3 wire should let you get 7-8 wraps for 1.5Ohm.
A mech will use the power directly from the battery there is no regulation, you just build a coil that will give the power output you are looking for.
eg
A 1.5 ohm coil used on a mech will use 11.76 watts on a fresh battery(4.2V) and will decrease as the batteries voltage drops.
You can work out how much power is being used by using a calculator like steamengine just use 4.2 as your voltage and put in the resistance and it will tell you how much power it will use. if you drop the voltage you will see how the power drops as the voltage drops.
Most will make their coil so it vapes high at the start and still gives a good vape down to 3.5V. When it gets to around 3.5V they change the battery over and its back to full power.

Take a look at using a mech There is some info that may help and the video is pretty good at explaining things.

[seniorphil]

With mechanical mods the power is delivered with a smooth, pure signal. ie what voltage is left in the battery goes to the coil.
With vv/vw mods the power is delivered with a ripple effect. The pcb will switch between the max voltage(say 6volts) and 0 volts, to give the requested voltage. It will switch between the two to give you an average of what you request, the speed it does this depends on the quality of your mod. Vamos etc. working at 33hertz(33 switches per second) going up to Provaris 900hertz(900 switches per second). This is can be heard in the "rattlesnaking" effect of cheaper mods, and I find I can send more volts through a coil without frying it on say a dna30(sending the same voltage through a vamo v5 would hover momentarily on 7v longer burning the wick)
I used to use a kick in mechanicals but have got used to the pure smooth delivery of power. I don't sub-ohm very often, I do like being able to take a longer slower draw without the mod cutting out.
I am down to 2mg juice and want to reduce my vaping more, so I am attempting to use my MVP again- it feels like going back to a ego or even a cig-u-like, so I think I'll carry on with the nemmy and reduce my 600 puffs a day.
You can do 50mph on a 125cc moped, but it's much more enjoyable with a 4.8 litre V8.

[monty]

Mechs win on looks and size but without a kick the power (Watts) drops by 25% or so as the battery voltage drops and you have to tailor your coils resistance when you use a mech. VV and VW give you instant control over your power.

You can get just about as much power as you like with the right battery on a mech without spending a big bucks. Inexpensive VV/VWs that allow stacked 18350s (eg Zmax and Vamo) can give you 25 Watts with a 1.5 Ohm coil and 30 Watts if you make a coil bang on 1.2 Watts - they won't fire lower than 1.2 Ohm coils. You have to put it in VV mode to get over 15 Watts. 25 Watts is enough for most needs. More expensive VV/VWs give you as much power as you want.

I don't have any issue with 33Htz mods. I have a Provari but I don't notice any difference in the vape it gives compared to a Vamo or ZMax. The rattle snake effect noise may drive you up the wall with some cartos but I haven't noticed it with drippers, gennys or BDC attys.

[flynn]

can you use mechs on a kayfun lite ,i thought only wick and wire was needed

[flynn]

getting back to whats better mod or vv vw mod ,and what would be a good buy and go well on a kayfun lite, have looked at box mods but dont like them as i carry my zmax around with me

[charon]

Jul 25, 2014 14:36:16 GMT flynn said:

can you use mechs on a kayfun lite ,i thought only wick and wire was needed

I think you mean can you use a kafun on a mech!

Mechs or regulated mods are just your power supply, you can use whatever you like on them. The difference being most regulated mods will not fire very low resistance coils. These tend to be the domain of the dedicated few who can't bear the sight of their other halves...............

[hijack]

Jul 25, 2014 14:44:27 GMT flynn said:

getting back to whats better mod or vv vw mod ,and what would be a good buy and go well on a kayfun lite, have looked at box mods but dont like them as i carry my zmax around with me

Its more whats going to be best for you.

If you want to stick with hassle free vv/vw vaping, then a vapoorshark may be the next step up for you.

Its is a box, but its only 3 inches high and 1.5 inches wide its tiny. This will give you 30watts to play with.

Taking the mech mod route without first learning the basics can be hazardous, but its not difficult to learn, and you could get yourself clued-up in the space of a week.

You can basically put anything on a mech and use the resistance of the coil and the voltage of the battery to regulate the power.

I use a kayfun on a mech and on an SVD(15w) I put a 0.9 coil in it so it will work on both(yeh I don't know why my SVD fires a 0.9 coil either, but it does)

on the SVD its running at 15W and on the mech it runs at 20W so I get more vapour and flavour when its on the mech.

But I could get a DNA 30 based mod or I could lower the resistance and get more power from my mech.

You do need to learn the relationship between volts, Ohms, watts and amps to use a mech safely.

[Greg]

Jul 25, 2014 18:40:27 GMT hijack said:

Jul 25, 2014 14:44:27 GMT flynn said:

getting back to whats better mod or vv vw mod ,and what would be a good buy and go well on a kayfun lite, have looked at box mods but dont like them as i carry my zmax around with me

Its more whats going to be best for you.

If you want to stick with hassle free vv/vw vaping, then a vapoorshark may be the next step up for you.

Its is a box, but its only 3 inches high and 1.5 inches wide its tiny. This will give you 30watts to play with.

Taking the mech mod route without first learning the basics can be hazardous, but its not difficult to learn, and you could get yourself clued-up in the space of a week.

You can basically put anything on a mech and use the resistance of the coil and the voltage of the battery to regulate the power.

I use a kayfun on a mech and on an SVD(15w) I put a 0.9 coil in it so it will work on both(yeh I don't know why my SVD fires a 0.9 coil either, but it does)

on the SVD its running at 15W and on the mech it runs at 20W so I get more vapour and flavour when its on the mech.

But I could get a DNA 30 based mod or I could lower the resistance and get more power from my mech.

You do need to learn the relationship between volts, Ohms, watts and amps to use a mech safely.

Great advice  hijack