This is the future, and I want to cry.

[djs]

So - the TPD states that from 2016, tanks over 2ml are banned. Liquid over 20mg is banned.

BUT, there is a nasty skeleton in the cupboard waiting to royally f-up all of us using refillable atomizers.

and that is.... yes... the 'refillable' bit. The TPD certainly reads as if single-use tamper-proof atomizers are going to be normal method for non-cartomizer e-cigs from that point on.

which brings me onto this.

uk.govype.com/epen

I fear this is the future. The same old nonsense about 300 puffs per refill, one refill is 5 (or 10) times as expensive as using e-liquid, all the normal stuff.

and the claims are downright disgraceful.

We worked with more than 50 scientists to research and develop the Vype ePen and listened to over 2000 vapers and smokers to make sure your vape is at its best. All you need to do is pick, click and vape.

50 Scientists.... no way. Not even 10% of that would be needed to work out this product. They must mean a team of 50 people, some of whom are scientists in the most broad definition of the word.

2,000 Vapers. Are there 2,000 Vapers who use/know Vype and would give of their time to 'assist' in the process? No chance. 2,000 dual users maybe...but not in real life... some sort of questionnaire, surely.

On your Bike, Vype.

This technology might be the future. I am depressed.

[Deleted]

This why 99% of us on here are stocking up for the apocalyptic hashup. Its a bloody travisty

[Greg]

I wouldn't shed too many tears, just stock up while you can

[djs]

Oct 11, 2014 16:38:06 GMT spikeyfridge said:

This why 99% of us on here are stocking up for the apocalyptic hashup. Its a bloody travisty

Yup. Me too.

I just have a bad feeling about this type of system, and the fact it is backed by the money of Big Tobacco.
Big Tobacco will make out this is good enough for nearly all users and all the current refillable users can use this.

Then again, worst case, some e-cig companies can produce exactly the same... but it's going to be a painful process.

[tracerace1]

omg I feel sick ff sake don't know what to say............i'll just join you and cry

[Deleted]

They know its a massive money pot now. All the big guns want a slice and those in the know will have to get devious. Wonder if they'll instigate house raids? And is 4 litres of nicotine base enough to last my lifetime? I'll be going up to Big Mike's to get my 5 ml tanks in a couple of years time!
Generosity will be a thing of the past with each of us stashing our hoards for the future!

[thatguy]

Oh well, time to market a nemesis and kraken as a censer.

[flavourtank]

The thing that annoys me the most is the vendors who make the vaping business there life which provides for there family.

Which if this goes through will have an impact on them.
Which means the gov are destroying independent shops and less buisness for there towns etc

[toots]

So only 3 flavours to choose from, tobacco, cherry & mint + only 18mg nicotine, no higher & no lower.

Great choice these guys offer.

Good job most of us are pretty well stocked up with vape gear, and remember there's always China for more vape gear if it becomes necessary


Also don't forget that Totally Wicked are challenging the TPD in 2015 through the EU courts let's hope they are successful

[Deleted]

I'm worried for the upcoming vapers. They will have a hard and expensive time of it

[flavourtank]

Some of these spread round country all filled with nic base





Then a couple of drivers in different areas to deliver when people need it lol

[tracerace1]

I think we should spread the word never to buy this product............tell all vapers to tell their friends and they tell their friends,

you get my gist!!!!!!!!!!!

LETS GET THEM TO FAIL B4 THEY BEGIN

[Marcus]

Surely If this does come in to play it won't affect people who mix their own?
Surely they can't ban the sale of nicotine concentrate.. Its used for many other things and if it did get banned there is always the option to import! Kinda how it is on Australia, you can buy eliquid but they are usually double strength as nicotine sales is prohibited and you buy 15ml in a 30ml bottle then top it up with half the nicotine and you have 30ml of juice. This is pretty much the standard way it's done in Australia.

And if it came down to it I would wean myself off the nicotine and just Vape 0mg,"e-shisha" as they call it

And surely it won't affect hardware either?

[tomj777]

Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Each Vype ePen refill cap (Blended Tobacco Flavour) contains 27mg (1.8% v/v) nicotine

So, 1.8% - that's 18mg per ml, so 1.5ml per refill cap.
4.5ml for the set of three at £7.99 , or if you like 1.78 per ml

Let's say out of kindness that the more enthusiastic B&M's will be knocking out 10ml for £4.99, so that's easy math

So... Hats off to British American Tobacco for their 356% mark-up...

Time for a social media campaign, I think.

Remember that we must not align ourselves with conspiracy theorists who might think that, facing their Kodak moment, Big Tobacco and Big Pharma (NRT) did a lot of lobbying to get the European Tobacco Products Directive.

The maths is enough.

Let's get those t'shirts printed, folks.

[tomj777]

Oct 11, 2014 17:14:25 GMT Marcus said:

Surely If this does come in to play it won't affect people who mix their own?
Surely they can't ban the sale of nicotine concentrate.. Its used for many other things and if it did get banned there is always the option to import! Kinda how it is on Australia, you can buy eliquid but they are usually double strength as nicotine sales is prohibited and you buy 15ml in a 30ml bottle then top it up with half the nicotine and you have 30ml of juice. This is pretty much the standard way it's done in Australia.

And if it came down to it I would wean myself off the nicotine and just Vape 0mg,"e-shisha" as they call it

And surely it won't affect hardware either?

 Oh Marcus,

#TPD includes 0 Nic. 
#TPD bans any e-liquid great than 2% concentration unless it's sold through the medical route. 
#TPD bans sale of e-liquid in containers greater than 10ml
#TPD bans any device that has the potential to leak (including time of refill)
#TPD regulatory demands (in excess of £100K per product / product variation, be it eliquid or hardware, and yes that does take out VV batteries without defined steps) will take out all small / medium businesses
#TPD bans cross boarder sales
#TPD bans discussion (here)

Google is your despair.

Suggest you start with Clive Bates blog

Specifically www.clivebates.com/?p=1747#more-1747

I'm so very sorry.