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Post by VE Jason on Oct 18, 2014 20:22:25 GMT
I also think that smoking will be pretty much extinct in 7 years time. But, I'm also convinced that whatever alternative we are using will be owned and sold by the Tobacco or Pharma companies.I sooooo hope you're wrong VE Jason, but I hear where you're coming from. Power doesn't come from Westminster directly, it's from the dark and shady corridors of 'lobbying' and 'brown envelopes'. I'm stopping there before it becomes a rant. Very true Raffles - we can think we are as powerful as we like, but they have the money that really talks
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Post by Chrissie on Oct 18, 2014 20:31:45 GMT
I sooooo hope you're wrong VE Jason, but I hear where you're coming from. Power doesn't come from Westminster directly, it's from the dark and shady corridors of 'lobbying' and 'brown envelopes'. I'm stopping there before it becomes a rant. Very true Raffles - we can think we are as powerful as we like, but they have the money that really talks And as Big Pharma have more money to play with than anyone else, they sadly will win any battle
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Post by VE Jason on Oct 18, 2014 20:36:25 GMT
Yes, that's about the size of it Chrissie, unfortunately.
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Post by 300 on Oct 18, 2014 20:42:55 GMT
If there were no smokers left in the UK for politicians & the rest of society to hate & make them pay handsomely for their disgusting habbit then where does the treasury make up the £12+ Billion PA shortfall?
They could appeal to the haters that they now have what they always wanted (no more filthy smelly smokers) & they now need to contribute more to make up the shortfall or they could re-direct all that hatred towards vapers & make them the new 'cash cow'
Perhaps a little OTT.
Vaping is growing at such a rate that 7 years from now i reckon all those that are likely to convert would have already done so & those that are still smoking tobacco are 'die hards' & will continue to the grave.
The treasury will milk Vaping for all it's worth & there will be no financial benefits over tobacco unless a black market emerges (perish the thought).
Hopefully those that have stockpiled may get lucky with the shelf life of their stash, only time will tell.
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Post by Chrissie on Oct 18, 2014 20:43:12 GMT
I still think the battle is more than worth fighting VE Jason & the more folks we get converting from smoking to vaping, the more power we have
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Post by Edge on Oct 18, 2014 20:54:12 GMT
Ready made juice will be very tightly controlled by big chemical/pharm companies. Small companies/shops making and selling juice will be licensed and inspected. Nicotine solution will be a bugger to get hold of or very expensive.
Mods, atties, wick, wire and batteries will be freely available, these cannot be controlled by the government or have increased tax put on them.
If smoking becomes a thing of the past, tax will go up and up.
Controlling vaping has nothing to do with health but everything to do with money. If the government was concerned about health smoking tobacco would be banned.
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Post by Raffles on Oct 18, 2014 20:59:16 GMT
Ready made juice will be very tightly controlled by big chemical/pharm companies. Small companies/shops making and selling juice will be licensed and inspected. Nicotine solution will be a bugger to get hold of or very expensive. Mods, atties, wick, wire and batteries will be freely available, these cannot be controlled by the government or have increased tax put on them. If smoking becomes a thing of the past, tax will go up and up. Controlling vaping has nothing to do with health but everything to do with money. If the government was concerned about health smoking tobacco would be banned. Says it all really... it's all about the 'money'... and go hell the population... unless you're paying taxes!
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Post by Edge on Oct 18, 2014 21:07:03 GMT
Ready made juice will be very tightly controlled by big chemical/pharm companies. Small companies/shops making and selling juice will be licensed and inspected. Nicotine solution will be a bugger to get hold of or very expensive. Mods, atties, wick, wire and batteries will be freely available, these cannot be controlled by the government or have increased tax put on them. If smoking becomes a thing of the past, tax will go up and up. Controlling vaping has nothing to do with health but everything to do with money. If the government was concerned about health smoking tobacco would be banned. Says it all really... it's all about the 'money'... and go hell the population... unless you're paying taxes! I can never remember the government bitching about smokers. Then Pharma 'invents' NRT and the govement slowly starts making noise. Tobacco companies get upset about NRT, government shuts up. NRT doesn't work but makes billions government happy. Tobacco companies not threatened due to NRT not working, tobacco happy, government happy. Then along comes vaping and it works. Tobacco upset - government forced to help tobacco. Pharma upset - government forced to pharma. We going to get kicked from pillar to post by everyone who wants a slice of the pie. Sadly it doesn't matter which party wins the election they are going to do as there told.
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Post by Greg on Oct 18, 2014 21:11:02 GMT
I won't be doing as I'm told I think we need a F the govt smiley
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Post by Raffles on Oct 18, 2014 21:20:29 GMT
I won't be doing as I'm told I think we need a F the govt smiley But they are all the same once they get in (regardless of party)! The 'personal' pocket is always more attractive than the 'I came here to help you' plea they made when they were elected. Where do we go from here? I shudder to think... but they have only themselves to blame when it blows up. As usual it will be the innocents that suffer.
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Post by lobeydosser on Oct 18, 2014 22:22:27 GMT
Personally I do not think that smoking "is a thing of the past".
Too many smokers who give vaping a bash go from cigarettes to cigalikes and, as we well know, only a few of us, myself included, was impressed enough with these to stick at them until we found something better.
I have been cajoling my mate for over a year to go from roll ups and cigalikes to something decent. He has finally got himself a Vamo and has not touched a cigarette since. Success.
But it has taken him a year, gawd knows how many tokes on my e-cigs and a container full of e-juices to get him started. For the sake of his health (and his bank balance) I'm glad he is now going in the right direction, but there are precious few cigarette smokers out there who will get that type of help. Most smokers now know about e-cigs, but if they haven't changed over by now, well they are died in the wool smokers and they will never change.
I can see a levelling out of vaping numbers in the next few years and unless the government, the NHS and just about every other health body get behind the vaping community, vapers will remain a minority in the smoking world. This may bode well for us because the Tobacco Companies and Big Pharma will still have their profits, but I am still uneasy about the future of Vaping.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 21:09:12 GMT
Supply and demand, the goverment can regulate all they want, it will just go black market. The government now, in the future and more so in my youth! has and will never tell me what I choose to put in my body if harming no others.
You honestly think you will never be able to buy vaping equipment and juice in this day and age regardless of the law? Ok I was dragged up in east london but even now a respectable old dad of two living in the suburbs within a couple of calls I could get illegal drugs delivered to my door. What next the plod with a warrant knocking my door down for some batteries, a switch and some liquid with nic it....! They can barely keep up with the crime in major city's as it is and typically can't even be bothered with the paper work if they find a small amount of cannibis in a kids pocket.
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Post by lobeydosser on Oct 19, 2014 22:21:21 GMT
I do hope you are right @letsavit.
Although I am kind of shaky for building coils, I will if I have to. And I suppose I could solder together a mechanical MOD again if I had to. So hopefully whatever happens, I will be able to vape.
I reckon I would be hardest hit if AAE-C and other vaping forums were taken off the air.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:51:41 GMT
No way can they regulate the Internet, places like this and word of mouth will keep it growing. I already have friends asking questions and enough gear to give them to start out. (Even ordered 4 cheap ego batteries to give away) This is still new to me but from what I'm reading it was the early vapours making mods at home that created the demand.
And as I said before while demand somewhere in the world un-regulated will be making it. You will able to buy pre made coils from one shop, batteries, tube with a switch from another etc. they cannot ban the components, you will just have to put a few bits together, worse case.
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Post by thatguy on Oct 20, 2014 0:06:08 GMT
As for hardware, I'm stocking up on a bunch of krakens because they are nigh indestructible, and a few more brass mechs (brass is so much harder than copper and less prone to thread wear while still hitting hard). PG/VG wont be an issue as they are already licensed for medicinal use and changing the rules on them would fcuk the inhaler and cough medicine market that big daddy med wont like. My only concern is nic base. Guess I'll fill my freezer and be set for a few years at least. Theere is no way they can remove our access to coiling wire or wicking material so glad we are cool on that count.
After it all hits the fan, will those who placed all these barriers in our way stand up and take responsibility for all the people who return to smoking or never quit due to the effective outlawing of effective vaping products? Of course not, they will top up the bank accounts then run.
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