Is the market for expensive vape gear slowly dying.

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Having myself bought high end genuine vape gear i was just wondering if with the appearance of so many good 1to1 clones is it slowly killing the market for both new and used genuine gear, and what are your thoughts on what the future of vaping might be if this continues. 

[Tom]

My option is not there.

Sometimes I buy genuine, sometimes I buy clones.

If the clones have great reviews I'll tend to go for it.

If I want something immaculate and I'm feeling rather flush, I'll go genuine.

[Greg]

With the exception of a nemesis clone I've not bought any clone mods.
Conversely with the exception of two genuine kayfun lites a spheroid and Sophia I've not bought many genuine RBA / RDAs compared to clones.

In future I think the above will be reinforced for me continuing to buy genuine mods but clone atties.

[flavourtank]

Tbh without having the real deal being made then there wouldnt be the clones.
The clone companys like to know something works and that they can knock out cheaper as they would sell 100s and still be in profit due to being cost friendly to people with a budget

I suppose they only make the clones due to reviews and recommendations and sales figures of the real thing, and not a lot of people can spend x amount on a real one so to get the nxt best thing would be a clone and some people dont like the risk of blowing x amount just incase they dont like it or its duff.

This is my opinion anyway.


People have different views on this subject so can become a touchy thread.

If I could afford to I would buy genuine but as I cant then I would go for clone option

[Greg]

Oct 23, 2014 21:36:29 GMT flavourtank said:

Tbh without having the real deal being made then there wouldnt be the clones.
The clone companys like to know something works and that they can knock out cheaper as they would sell 100s and still be in profit due to being cost friendly to people with a budget

I suppose they only make the clones due to reviews and recommendations and sales figures of the real thing, and not a lot of people can spend x amount on a real one so to get the nxt best thing would be a clone and some people dont like the risk of blowing x amount just incase they dont like it or its duff.

This is my opinion anyway.


People have different views on this subject so can become a touchy thread.

If I could afford to I would buy genuine but as I cant then I would go for clone option

Clones are fine on here, we don't do elitist in my experience. I think your getting confused with a different forum 

live  and let live 

[flavourtank]

Oct 23, 2014 21:42:37 GMT Greg said:

Oct 23, 2014 21:36:29 GMT flavourtank said:

Tbh without having the real deal being made then there wouldnt be the clones.
The clone companys like to know something works and that they can knock out cheaper as they would sell 100s and still be in profit due to being cost friendly to people with a budget

I suppose they only make the clones due to reviews and recommendations and sales figures of the real thing, and not a lot of people can spend x amount on a real one so to get the nxt best thing would be a clone and some people dont like the risk of blowing x amount just incase they dont like it or its duff.

This is my opinion anyway.


People have different views on this subject so can become a touchy thread.

If I could afford to I would buy genuine but as I cant then I would go for clone option

Clones are fine on here, we don't do elitist in my experience. I think your getting confused with a different forum 

live  and let live 

I know clones are fine on here I was just pointing out in general that others may have different views.

My vape collection consists of 3 genuine items.......

Vtr
aerotank
vision slip

The rest are clones and all work well.

Thats the main reason/only reason I stick to this forum due to no elitist. If it works for you happy days......... we are all on the same boat

[prr]

Personally I think that paying a high price forsomething you don't know works for you is ludicrous. There are so many copies out there at reasonable prices (and I do understand the concept of patent). Top end manufacturers' deliberately keep the market light of product to keep the price ofproduct high. However the designs of equipment is such that each manufacturer is merely coppying another, ie Daimler Benz created the motor car, surely all other vehicles are clones in one way or another, Hoover invented the vacuum cleaner, nead I go on!

[Deleted]

I think im going to get this put to bed as i dont want it to turn into any kind of row.
I was only interested as i have bought genuine in the past and its now seems to have no interest if you try to sell it.

[VapingBad]

To big a question for a poll from my point of view and a lot depends of the price of the original and if it is complex electronics. I think with mech mods and atomisers it is easier to judge the quality of a clone and tweak any short comings. I have a few kayfun clones that cost under a nine quid that I will happily attack with a drill and probably get a better vape that if I paid seven times the price for the original, but if the original was £30 I would have bought at least one. I love my clone Krakens they are quite simple to copy and cost less that a fifteenth of the price of an original and that is taking the pish IMO and cancels what ever guilt I may have felt. I was seriously tempted to get an Origen Genesis v2 for £100, but then the DNA40 was released so maybe one for for yule present.

I wouldn't get a clone DNA as the real boards are a reasonable price and I don't believe any of the clones would perform as well. But it is extremely difficult to be able to judge how good the clones boards are as reviewers don't seem to put them through their paces other than checking the output voltage and don't have time to assess the reliability.

I think that the high end manufactures need to reduce their prices as this is really an artisan in a small workshop that the poll applies to. And personally I don't won't to pay for a fancy box, ultra fine finish or engravings but they do not offer high quality no frills stuff.

[prr]

What is great aboutthis forum as compared to others is that we all accept each others opinions, we may not agree with them but we acknowledge their right to their opinion without having to belittle them.

[flavourtank]

Oct 23, 2014 21:51:27 GMT @windows said:

I think im going to get this put to bed as i dont want it to turn into any kind of row.
I was only interested as i have bought genuine in the past and its now seems to have no interest if you try to sell it.

dont think you should put it to bed,

Its a poll thread of opinions and how people see it tbh, as Greg said there is no elitism on this forum.

[dreamylittledream]

It very much depends on what you are cloning.

I would never pay high end original prices for a mech - with the odd notable exception its not too difficult to accurately copy a tube that holds a battery and has a 510 connection and there are plenty of decent clones that reflect this.

Atty wise - well in all honesty the clones are gaining serious ground - I wouldn't pay original prices in all honesty for most things and providing its a decent clone then all is good - of course making sure it is a decent clone is the tricky thing...

But VV/VW devices - well lets just say no one has managed to make a clone that is in the same league as lets say a Vaporshark or a Provari - electronic wizardry is a little more difficult to replicate.

I have no real ethics on these things - but I want whatever I do buy to do what I want it to and not potentially explode.

[flavourtank]

Also I think its that thing if you can get something for one price but also find an equivalent cheaper option without the high price tag what would you go for?

I appreciate all the hard work people put into creating these great attys/mods. It means we wont get bored as there is something new coming into this world that will catch our eye

[sammy13]

As this as turned into a discussion, Why do people want/need high priced 100watt mods and sub ohms?

Is it for a fun/ experimental / boys toys reason?

We all know cig a likes are pretty naff, although serve their purpose for some, but the vast majority of vapers who are not on forums, buy an ego kit from b&m or wherever.

They then may stumble across a shop or market stall selling vv style ego batteries, and glass clearos rather than plastic.


Could you all happily vape for the rest of your natural with the basic equipment?

I know Super-Shiny did a U-turn at one point and went back to basics.

Regarding clones for ego style batteries ( fakes ) whatever you want to call them, well -

I have had 3 fasttech twists, and 3 no-name cheaper egos and all lasted max 4 months.

I have a genuine 1100 joyetech twist, a genuine 650 tecc, and a genuine joyetech twist all of which are over a year old.

[Tom]

sammy13 50watts plus is nothing new.

The only new thing its now in a regulated mod.

Personally I couldn't go back to the clearo type vape after using a kafuns for so long.

Ive started using drippers at home and the flavour and vapour is just so much more than what you get from your 'basic equipment'.

If the basic stuff is working then thats great.

For me its not a question of ever going back to fags, its just finding out what the best vape out there (for me) is!