Here we go the marijuana e-cig debate for bans on all e-cigs

[toots]

Looks like it's started already

he wants to revisit the issue because he saw an article about a Tulsa man attempting to get a patent on a way for marijuana oil to be synthesized for inhalation via e-cigarettes.

Here's the link: www.duncanbanner.com/news/e-cig-debate-back-on-the-table/article_55096fe0-802c-11e4-b65b-1376ec147301.html

[prr]

The bloke is a total Pillock, I had to chuckle at the banning of brownies and cakes sarcastic comment! Perhaps he would request the banning of spoons because they might be used in heating a heroin solution or even dollar notes because they can be rolled into tubes and used in sniffing cocaine. What a prat! toots

[GunJack]

love the retort about soccer mums and brownies

[GunJack]

...and WHY has NO-ONE demanded the banning of rizlas and tobacco for the same reason of "you could put weed in them" ??

[igual]

I used to make special brownies for mums dystonia/arthritis lol.
Maybe she's a secret soccer mum

Agree with all the above comments don't forget to outlaw plastic zip bags as well because someone might out pills innthem, oh and cellophane wrap in case someone might wrap rocks in them, oh and oh and

[Q]

Mary Jane (flavour) concentrate has been available for quite some time

[Deleted]

This is the quote that really annoys me

"Mayes said he has concern over the unknown health effects of vaping".

He has no concern over the health effects of vaping - he just wants to impose his narrow world-view on the rest of us.

as prr says: Pillock

[Ripshod]

Dec 18, 2014 19:21:24 GMT @kopiert said:

"Mayes said he has concern over the unknown health effects of vaping".

Secret Daily Fail reader? Maybe a little narrower? What a donkey!! 

[mowjo]

This one is more interesting,,,
link

[Bobsbeer]

Seems like a good candidate for President to me. He has all the qualifications for a Republican. Brains? No. That will do.

[sydsut]

Pillock is too mild a epithet. I'm too much of a gentleman to write down my thoughts when I read it. Tease-smiley

[decoy]

ok the way how the one mowjo posted get round the law is it is made outa HEMP which has no thc in it but still has canaboids in it which is the part that supposively helps with pain relief (im still on the fence about which bit helps with pain,inflammation and what ever else )

now the tricky part is the yanks have found a way of getting the thc and canaboids in to vg juice which could be used in an ecig to get you high as a kite and although this is not widely known at this point it will be at some point

the way i look at it if they are going to ban ecigs because of that then shika pipes/bongs and all smoking related stuff should be banned but they only become e legal once used with cannabis or should we ban all cars because some peps use red diesel in them or just to go that one step to far all syringes because junkies use them

at the end of the day some peps are always going to use stuff e legally but most will not

[mowjo]

I wonder if Vapers were original invented for using the oils, the dry herb vaporisers were around a long time before I ever heard of E/cigs and the like, so it makes sense to me that the juice vapouriser would be the next step, just a bit from Wiki that may explain how it helps medicaly,

Marijuana vaporizers
Vaporizer with water cooling

Vaporizers are also used to inhale marijuana. Of the studies about vaporizing marijuana, few have addressed the quality of the vapor extracted and delivered; instead, studies usually focus on the mode of usage of the vaporizers. There are 483 identifiable chemical constituents known to exist in the cannabis plant,[15] and at least 85 different cannabinoids have been isolated from the plant.[16] The aromatic terpenoids begin to vaporize at 126.0 °C (258.8 °F),[17] but the more bio-active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN) do not vaporize until near their respective boiling points: THC 157 °C (315 °F),[18] CBD 160–180°C (320°F-356°F),[18] and CBN 185 °C (365 °F).[18]
Vaporizers for medical use
A forced-air vaporizer. The detachable balloon (top) fills with vapors that are then inhaled.

Studies have shown that vaporizing cannabis exposes the user to lower levels of harmful substances than smoking cannabis.[19][20][21][22] These findings are important for it is estimated that 10–20 percent of patients with chronic pain, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, and HIV/AIDS have admitted to smoking cannabis for therapeutic purposes.[23] For patients, a study found that smoking cannabis sativa reduced daily pain by 34%, a statistically significant amount.[24]

In a study published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology in May 2008, it was stated that vaporizers were a "suitable method for the administration of THC."[25] A 2007 study by University of California, San Francisco, published in the Journal of the American Academy of Neurology, founded that "there was virtually no exposure to harmful combustion products using the vaporizing device."[7] A 2006 study performed by researchers at Leiden University found that vaporizers were "safe and effective cannabinoid delivery system(s)." The study stated that the amount of THC delivered by vaporizers were equivalent to the amount delivered by smoking.[22] Because of those studies and other studies, vaporizers are medically sound devices for delivering THC.[26]
Efficiency

The proposed factors affecting output include:[19][22]

Temperature
Specimen density
Weight, content of water and essential oils
Consistency of material in the filling chamber
Storage time of the vapor
Inhalation method (breathing technique)

Not all those have been scientifically tested. Research using vaporizers found the delivery efficiency highest at around 226 °C (439 °F), falling to about half efficiency at 150 °C (302 °F) to 180 °C (356 °F) degrees depending on material.[22] The purest preparations produced the highest efficiencies, about 56% for pure THC versus 29% for plant material (female flower tops) with 12% THCA content. Besides THC, several other cannabinoids as well as a range of other plant components including terpenoids were detected in the plant material. Using pure THC in the vaporizer, no degradation products (delta-8-THC (D8-THC), cannabinol (CBN), or unknown compounds) were detected by HPLC analysis.[22] The longer vapor is stored, the more THC is lost as it condenses on the surface of the vaporizer or the balloon. This loss may be negligible over a few minutes but may exceed 50% after 90 minutes.[22] The Leiden University study found that as much as 30%–40% of inhaled THC was not absorbed by the lungs but simply exhaled. However, they did not find large individual differences in the amounts exhaled.[22]

[Bobsbeer]

The problem for us as vapers is that there is not a 'normal' use for e cigs other than as a nicotine delivery system. And nicotine in the eyes of non smokers/vapers is the devil in the woodpile. Most will not look or think about it other than it is a different form of smoking, and therefore just as harmfull to us, and the rest of the world.