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Post by sydsut on Feb 20, 2015 13:46:53 GMT
Who is the guy in the video, and when was it recorded? I checked that it was current and it was recorded 6 months ago. When I first saw this post I thought it was new. The guys name appears as Vape Crisis???. Reason I asked was because he doesn't come over in the video as concerned, but as pleased to be giving out this information. If you had said he was an ANTZ I would have believed it.
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Post by letsavit on Feb 20, 2015 13:53:39 GMT
"Harm reduction" if you want to be 100% safe then don't vape.
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Post by Bobsbeer on Feb 20, 2015 14:52:46 GMT
Totally agree with you @letsavit, but I see no reason to put known harmful ingredients in. Vaping will probably never be 100% safe, if anything is. Everything we ingest, and the air we breath is just as risky. Probably more so in big cities. Another more reassuring article HERE, but still shows the level of ingredients to be higher than they should be. And I agree with the conclusion. It's an avoidable risk and therefore should be removed.
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Post by Ripshod on Feb 20, 2015 15:13:09 GMT
It's personal choice pedro. Most of us are aware of the various ketones and terpenes (aromatic hydrocarbons) in our juices, we choose to continue to vape them as still safer than smoking. Especially as most of the bad chemicals detected are well below what is considered safe. If it wasn't for terpenes, fruits wouldn't taste like fruits, spices wouldn't taste like spices. Without certain chemicals (at 'safe' levels) there would be NO flavour at all. Vape or smoke, the choice is so simple. If I was that concerned I'd vape unflavoured juice. Limonene hasn't hurt me yet!!
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Post by pedro on Feb 20, 2015 16:10:51 GMT
It's personal choice pedro. Most of us are aware of the various ketones and terpenes (aromatic hydrocarbons) in our juices, we choose to continue to vape them as still safer than smoking. Especially as most of the bad chemicals detected are well below what is considered safe. If it wasn't for terpenes, fruits wouldn't taste like fruits, spices wouldn't taste like spices. Without certain chemicals (at 'safe' levels) there would be NO flavour at all. Vape or smoke, the choice is so simple. If I was that concerned I'd vape unflavoured juice. Limonene hasn't hurt me yet!! I only have a problem with diketones in all there forms being in my liquid and I choose not to buy liquid that has that in any of it guises. It really does amaze me that everyone agrees diacetyl is bad for you but people are quite happy to have it in there liquid under another name and sometimes just plainly there. Yes I am aware it is part of the ketone group and thats why you might have mentioned them but its this sub group that we all agree is a known bad for you substance and dont want. How come my aversion to diketones means I should I have a choice to vape or not? I have a choice and choose to exercise it to minimise my exposure to diacetyl. I think you would be surprised by the amount of people who dont realise there juice still contains diacetyl in one form or the other. Look at the suicide bunny test results 114 ppm (about right never looked it back up) Acetyl propionyl thats .01% considering thats actually a lot higher than what they have measured the levels to be in the popcorn factory's where concerns were first raised and people were really affected.
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Post by Ripshod on Feb 20, 2015 16:22:37 GMT
Yeah I getcha pedro. Was just pointing out that there's a lot more than just ketones to worry about. The advent of 'natural' juices, countaining natural extracts from fruits and such should not be ignored. If we were to act on the effects of all the ingredients used then what would we vape? Considering the potential harm ALL these chemicals, and the interaction between chemicals can do, we'd be left with 1/ 4 of the juices we have now, and many producers would go out of business. Just because the research hasn't been done yet doesn't make one chemical safer than another. There's a whole lot more we have to learn.
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Post by furbs on Feb 20, 2015 23:40:21 GMT
I didn't see the date of the vid when i posted it, i completely missed the first time round. Sorry if it seems i was bringing up old news.
The problem is far greater than personal risk though, its what the people who want to ban vaping will do with this sort of stuff that bothers me more.
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Post by whiteshep on Feb 20, 2015 23:46:29 GMT
Those wanting vaping banned don't want to open the can of worms of exactly what might be harmful, I live by a main road my vaping is probably the cleanest air I take in. There are always risks with something like vaping but every person needs to weigh things and decide for themself if your really concerned maybe vaping isn't for you personal choice. Also gotta remember none of what we vape in eliquid was ever made with heated inhalation in mind hence why studies are ongoing and time is needed to find out or for products to be created that are purpose made with vaping as the primary use.
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Post by charliehorse on Feb 20, 2015 23:53:16 GMT
I live next to a main road as well but that doesn't mean to say I want Diacetyl or its derivatives in my juice. Maybe Vaping isn't for me then
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Post by sydsut on Feb 21, 2015 0:12:43 GMT
I live next to a main road as well but that doesn't mean to say I want Diacetyl or its derivatives in my juice. Maybe Vaping isn't for me then Just avoid any flavours with a buttery taste. Straight tobacco and fruits should be fine. Menthol and straight mints etc.
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Post by whiteshep on Feb 21, 2015 2:54:10 GMT
Use google and check out any flavours your worried about the amounts involved in vaping are very small and unless your hitting buttery flavours all day everyday the risk is minimal I might be a bit blase about it but compared to what i was inhaling when I smoked tobacco vaping is a damn sight better plus not exactly gonna live to a ripe old age so might as well enjoy it .
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Post by mikeb on Feb 21, 2015 3:10:46 GMT
if you're worried about diacetyl don't smoke and don't work in a popcorn factory. Also don't eat 50 bags of popcorn a day. the levels in eliquid are too low for concern and were only removed as a precaution. As a side note, Suicide Bunny make some of the best juice around. Another side note, don't breathe when you're in the street, the traffic fumes will do more damage than any vapour.
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