Who needs 400 W?

[VapingBad]

Answer anyone vaping large coils IMO.  

(I just made this screen shot as a couple of members thought that TC completely cut power to the coil when it got to temp, it so does not do that and wanted to clear that up as there has always been so much disinformation on TC, at least not on Evolv and the boards that copied them.) 

This is a screen shot of me vaping a pair of SS UD staggered fused claptons on a DNA 250C, the green line is power: always on, just adjusting to keep the temp (red line) below 400F.  The wattage preheats at 400 W then gradually reduces to 57 W once the coils have got going, no drop outs what so ever just varying power delivery. Virtually instant full vape and no after boil when you stop.  If I were using VW or VV I would have to set the wattage at 60 W to not over cook the liquid, but then it would take an age to start producing vapour or set the power high enough to get vapour quickly enough and suffer over cooking and after boiling.



This was the first puff, nothing unusually about it just plugged in and vaped on my normal settings.

[lobeydosser]

I'm vaping on 4.7W.

Does that count?

[VapingBad]

Mar 10, 2018 1:28:00 GMT lobeydosser said:

I'm vaping on 4.7W.

Does that count?

If you are using big coils as stated in the first line

[Pepperty]

I do love the concept of temperature control and having escribe is fascinating - all that information at your fingertips

[thebishman]

And then theres simple simon here... whack a coil on a mech. Pull trigger. Vape lol

[Richard46]

Thanks VapingBad I am certainly one who had that wrong.

[VapingBad]

Mar 10, 2018 9:25:32 GMT thebishman said:

And then theres simple simon here... whack a coil on a mech. Pull trigger. Vape lol

That's not true is it, not the full story I mean, obviously you had to work out what resistance you needed to get the power you want then puzzle what coil materiel and geometry would give you that still having enough wicking and not too long a heat up time.  I remember those days and it usually took quite a few goes and millilitres of liquid to get all that in balance.  You do need to do some of this tunning if you are coil building with
any mod, but with Mechs and fixed voltage where the resistance sets the power
it is far harder. 

Mechs may have a deceivingly simple method of working, but they are not at all simple to set up if you are pulling a lot of power, even with low power you have all the weekly maintenance to keep them consistent.  I remember having to completely strip and rebuild tube Mechs at least once a week or my 15 W would drop below 10, granted the box mods that use two copper strips today are a lot easier than those old tube mods.  We have come a long way since then and hand on hart TC is the least faff to live with, just clean the coils and rewick, how often depends on the liquid, but less often with TC because you don't get the higher than necessary temps you can with other techs.

I have no idea what you think I am doing differently building the atty that I wouldn't do if I was doing it for a Mech, a VV or VW mod, I cannot think of a single thing here.  This one I just took the coils out of the packet, fitted them, trimmed the tails, tightened everything down, quick pulse to check for hot spots, wick, add liquid, put to mouth and press the fire button while inhaling.  That is exactly the same, though I never gave a though to what resistance the coils were that's the mods job, I am experienced so automatically balance dual coils while fitting and always have sound and clean connections, a thing that TC and Mechs have in common is poor connections cause issues.  I have thought of one thing, I forgot it as it is so simple, I just need to make sure the right coil material is selected, but if I forget I can tell straight away when I vape.

So IMO if you are looking for a simple rebuildable it would have to be a VW as they are the least fussy, then TC is a close second with Mech and especially tube Mechs way back in the high faff area.

(I left out the replay feature on the DNA250C, now that is a new level of simple to get a really good vape)

[thebishman]

Mar 10, 2018 15:34:47 GMT VapingBad said:

Mar 10, 2018 9:25:32 GMT thebishman said:

And then theres simple simon here... whack a coil on a mech. Pull trigger. Vape lol

That's not true is it, not the full story I mean, obviously you had to work out what resistance you needed to get the power you want then puzzle what coil materiel and geometry would give you that still having enough wicking and not too long a heat up time.  I remember those days and it usually took quite a few goes and millilitres of liquid to get all that in balance.  You do need to do some of this tunning if you are coil building with
any mod, but with Mechs and fixed voltage where the resistance sets the power
it is far harder. 

Mechs may have a deceivingly simple method of working, but they are not at all simple to set up if you are pulling a lot of power, even with low power you have all the weekly maintenance to keep them consistent.  I remember having to completely strip and rebuild tube Mechs at least once a week or my 15 W would drop below 10, granted the box mods that use two copper strips today are a lot easier than those old tube mods.  We have come a long way since then and hand on hart TC is the least faff to live with, just clean the coils and rewick, how often depends on the liquid, but less often with TC because you don't get the higher than necessary temps you can with other techs.

I have no idea what you think I am doing differently building the atty that I wouldn't do if I was doing it for a Mech, a VV or VW mod, I cannot think of a single thing here.  This one I just took the coils out of the packet, fitted them, trimmed the tails, tightened everything down, quick pulse to check for hot spots, wick, add liquid, put to mouth and press the fire button while inhaling.  That is exactly the same, though I never gave a though to what resistance the coils were that's the mods job, I am experienced so automatically balance dual coils while fitting and always have sound and clean connections, a thing that TC and Mechs have in common is poor connections cause issues.  I have thought of one thing, I forgot it as it is so simple, I just need to make sure the right coil material is selected, but if I forget I can tell straight away when I vape.

So IMO if you are looking for a simple rebuildable it would have to be a VW as they are the least fussy, then TC is a close second with Mech and especially tube Mechs way back in the high faff area.

(I left out the replay feature on the DNA250C, now that is a new level of simple to get a really good vape)

Blimey jon hope i didnt hit a nerve...that certainly wasnt my intention! Lol

[VapingBad]

Mar 10, 2018 15:38:41 GMT thebishman said:

Mar 10, 2018 15:34:47 GMT VapingBad said:

That's not true is it, not the full story I mean, obviously you had to work out what resistance you needed to get the power you want then puzzle what coil materiel and geometry would give you that still having enough wicking and not too long a heat up time.  I remember those days and it usually took quite a few goes and millilitres of liquid to get all that in balance.  You do need to do some of this tunning if you are coil building with
any mod, but with Mechs and fixed voltage where the resistance sets the power
it is far harder. 

Mechs may have a deceivingly simple method of working, but they are not at all simple to set up if you are pulling a lot of power, even with low power you have all the weekly maintenance to keep them consistent.  I remember having to completely strip and rebuild tube Mechs at least once a week or my 15 W would drop below 10, granted the box mods that use two copper strips today are a lot easier than those old tube mods.  We have come a long way since then and hand on hart TC is the least faff to live with, just clean the coils and rewick, how often depends on the liquid, but less often with TC because you don't get the higher than necessary temps you can with other techs.

I have no idea what you think I am doing differently building the atty that I wouldn't do if I was doing it for a Mech, a VV or VW mod, I cannot think of a single thing here.  This one I just took the coils out of the packet, fitted them, trimmed the tails, tightened everything down, quick pulse to check for hot spots, wick, add liquid, put to mouth and press the fire button while inhaling.  That is exactly the same, though I never gave a though to what resistance the coils were that's the mods job, I am experienced so automatically balance dual coils while fitting and always have sound and clean connections, a thing that TC and Mechs have in common is poor connections cause issues.  I have thought of one thing, I forgot it as it is so simple, I just need to make sure the right coil material is selected, but if I forget I can tell straight away when I vape.

So IMO if you are looking for a simple rebuildable it would have to be a VW as they are the least fussy, then TC is a close second with Mech and especially tube Mechs way back in the high faff area.

(I left out the replay feature on the DNA250C, now that is a new level of simple to get a really good vape)

Blimey jon hope i didnt hit a nerve...that certainly wasnt my intention! Lol

No, just now and again I get board with info that is just wrong IMO, like TC is a lot of faff, vaping is more harmful than smoking and higher ohms on VW mods pull less current from the battery.  Lots of fine people repeat these truisms because someone they respect told them so, normally I just smile, but sometimes I feel I should speak up if I feel that someone may listen or it help someone.

[thebishman]

Mar 10, 2018 15:47:47 GMT VapingBad said:

Mar 10, 2018 15:38:41 GMT thebishman said:

Blimey jon hope i didnt hit a nerve...that certainly wasnt my intention! Lol

No, just now and again I get board with info that is just wrong IMO, like TC is a lot of faff, vaping is more harmful than smoking and higher ohms on VW mods pull less current from the battery.  Lots of fine people repeat these truisms because someone they respect told them so, normally I just smile, but sometimes I feel I should speak up if I feel that someone may listen or it help someone.

Ah ok! Lol

[VapingBad]

Also in my job you cannot challenge something without explaining why so it may seem like I have written a lot because I want an argument or am annoyed when neither is the case, but it is just part and parcel of engineering you always have to back up you opinions with logic or evidence Etc or they are worthless.

[unclegromit]

Well I don’t use big coils and/or fancy wire so I have none of this stuff to think about
All I do is vape and enjoy. 😎

[VapingBad]

That all I do unclegromit you see me at the LDN meets vaping the same coils I was vaping 18+ months ago, the just get regular a clean and rewick. I don't know where people get the idea that is extra stuff to do with TC, sorry I keep forgetting I have to check I have the right wire type selected because that is so easy and I never think about it.

[striker42]

Tried TC more times than I care to remember and failed every time VapingBad. However, had a notion to try one of the mesh RDA's for squonking, so bought a digiflavour mesh pro. It duly arrived yesterday and after a bit off trial and error, I now have it working well with SS316 mesh. 0.16 ohm, 45W, 460F and an obscene amount of cotton. Whether these numbers are correct or otherwise, I know not. But for now I'll enjoy it while it's working.

[VapingBad]

Mar 10, 2018 18:59:15 GMT striker42 said:

Tried TC more times than I care to remember and failed every time VapingBad . However, had a notion to try one of the mesh RDA's for squonking, so bought a digiflavour mesh pro. It duly arrived yesterday and after a bit off trial and error, I now have it working well with SS316 mesh. 0.16 ohm, 45W, 460F and an obscene amount of cotton. Whether these numbers are correct or otherwise, I know not. But for now I'll enjoy it while it's working.

Yeah I have one of those, they really get through the liquid.