High strength juice - more is less

[domesticextremist]

Fair point on the safety advice - most vendors are very good on this issue,
and certainly a lot better than the tobacco industry.

Whilst it is slightly lower nicotine content than DIY mixing liquid, there is no
greater restriction on sale and abuse of one is just as likely as the other.
At the end of the day, there's no accounting for recklessness and people will
put themselves at risk no matter how much information they are given.

That being said, when it comes to nic overdose, vaping does give you plenty of
warning - in terms of thumping heart and headaches. You'd have to really want
to overdose not to stop at that point.
In addition a nic overdose (even one that lands you in A+E) is eminently survivable
because the body metabolises it so quickly.
I understand the concern, an overdose is not a pleasant thing and the media would
have a field day if it came to their attention. However I think we might be making a
mountain out of a molehill.

[Gordy]

Aug 4, 2012 16:24:57 GMT domesticextremist said:

Fair point on the safety advice - most vendors are very good on this issue,
and certainly a lot better than the tobacco industry.

Whilst it is slightly lower nicotine content than DIY mixing liquid, there is no
greater restriction on sale and abuse of one is just as likely as the other.
At the end of the day, there's no accounting for recklessness and people will
put themselves at risk no matter how much information they are given.

That being said, when it comes to nic overdose, vaping does give you plenty of
warning - in terms of thumping heart and headaches. You'd have to really want
to overdose not to stop at that point.
In addition a nic overdose (even one that lands you in A+E) is eminently survivable
because the body metabolises it so quickly.
I understand the concern, an overdose is not a pleasant thing and the media would
have a field day if it came to their attention. However I think we might be making a
mountain out of a molehill.

a nic overdoes can case a heart attack which may not be eminently survivable... care needs to be taken

[domesticextremist]

Aug 4, 2012 16:47:18 GMT Gordy said:

Aug 4, 2012 16:24:57 GMT domesticextremist said:

Fair point on the safety advice - most vendors are very good on this issue,
and certainly a lot better than the tobacco industry.

Whilst it is slightly lower nicotine content than DIY mixing liquid, there is no
greater restriction on sale and abuse of one is just as likely as the other.
At the end of the day, there's no accounting for recklessness and people will
put themselves at risk no matter how much information they are given.

That being said, when it comes to nic overdose, vaping does give you plenty of
warning - in terms of thumping heart and headaches. You'd have to really want
to overdose not to stop at that point.
In addition a nic overdose (even one that lands you in A+E) is eminently survivable
because the body metabolises it so quickly.
I understand the concern, an overdose is not a pleasant thing and the media would
have a field day if it came to their attention. However I think we might be making a
mountain out of a molehill.

a nic overdoes can case a heart attack which may not be eminently survivable... care needs to be taken

Do you have any stats for that?

Actually, scrub that. the point is it's the heart attack that isn't
survivable, not the nicotine overdose.
If you are prone to heart problems then there are any number of
things that could kick them off and, indeed, care needs to be taken.

Getting back to my original post, the only time I really experienced nic
overdose symptoms was when chain vaping 24mg juice.
With 45mg, I find that I automatically out my device down after a few
drags and don't want to pick it up again for 15 or 20 minutes.
hence the title - more is less.

[Matt Gluggles]

Exactly, the 45mg has actually been clinically tested and was found to be the most efficient concentration for vapour.

It has been shown that people using 45mg actually consume LESS nicotine per day than those on lower strengths because you take a few drags and put your device down - more like smoking - I found myself doing this instictively.

You just simply don't 'chain vape' this juice. (without even thinking about it) - you get your nic hit and put it down.

I quite often get a headache when I am vaping 24mg, because if I don't watch it, I end up chaining and getting too much nic - I have never had a headache with the 45mg, the opposite in fact, I feel so much better.

The plus side is that my batteries are lasting a hell of a lot longer between charges and my cartomisers are lasting for ages before needing to be refilled.

[farzooks]

I might have a look at this 45mg technique.
I've found that since I cut down from 24mg to 18mg then to 12mg I've tended to chain vape as my body is still wanting more nicotine. It takes a slight effort to overriide that, so no big deal, and it's quite easy to put the comfort stick down for ten minutes or so.
One huge advantage I've found to vaping is, that even on the lower strengths, if I'm getting on with something that needs full attention and hands busy, I don't need to stop for a puff, unlike in the fag days. I can just get on with things and find an hour or two has passed without a vape and without feeling the craving.
The tendency to chainvape is at its worst when I'm sitting in front of the telly or pc - but that's just a physical habit I always had when smoking.

[Ellen]

This has been a really interesting thread, personally I would never want to Vape very high nic juice. Vaping isn't just a way of getting nicotine into my body any more than smoking was. I smoked up to 30 light cigarettes a day, now it seems silly to smoke lights when you smoke so many, it would make more sense to buy stronger cigarettes and save a lot of money by smoking less of them, but then there would have been little pleasure in smoking for me....I wanted to smoke very often but my chest couldn't handle that with strong cigs
My vaping is the same, I like to be chain vaping. I use slightly higher strength when I'm at work as I have to get my nic fix in short bursts. But the rest of the time I want the pleasure of vaping and flavours at the same time as my nicotine fix. If juice was only available in very high mg nicotine, I don't think vaping would suit me at all....
Same as my caffeine addiction....in the morning I could shoot 3 cans of red bull to wake me up, or I could take my time with a pot of freshly ground guatamalen coffee, I know which I prefer