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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 23:23:35 GMT
You can remain anonymous and do not have to post a comment below, but I'm interested to see the results of this poll and see if the MHRA are talking crap are correct. Nope, so much of what the MHRA put out last week makes for fertiliser, but I wouldn't even it trust it for that purpose.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 23:19:35 GMT
This entry from our friend Clive Bates is simply the best blog post I will probably ever read and the best dismantling of some of the antz justifications we could ever hope for. www.clivebates.com/?p=1262You really can't afford to not read it. Pass it along.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 23:15:58 GMT
It is my picture! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards Tachetastic mate !
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 11:19:51 GMT
Want a long mod ? Get a couple of spare vamo extension tubes and run it dual 18650. . .
then it can also be used as a bat.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 10:39:24 GMT
I don't have bad habits, I have personality quirks. . .
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 10:01:49 GMT
We all understand, I think, womble. I was in at the early days of ECCA UK V1.0 and the same problems from back then have just come back again for VV2.0 it seems. New bods have come in with fresh ideas but are having trouble getting any head of steam up to move too far forward. It doesn't help that directions of travel both times seem to have come up against changing opinions going the other. First time round everything was aimed at being political and leaving consumer stuff till afterwards and members eventually didn't like it. Now in V2.0 they have changed to wanting to concentrate on consumer issues and are now being asked why they aren't defending us politically. Heck opinion is even split around the place on what a good consumer association should be, only cover consumer and ignore politics, or be dual purpose if a little split. Its a no win for everybody unless strong leadership can drag members and committee to an accord. I really hope also the new idea for a membership fee to be a full voting member is set at a level that will not put people off since regard for ECCA UK has not been very high otherwise they kill it right there. We have to see where it will all lead, but thank you for trying nonetheless.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 9:36:54 GMT
Keep it up everybody, you're all doing great !
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 8:21:42 GMT
As far as I am aware the only difference with vapers in Scotland is we are in Scotland (perhaps further flung in some cases due to geography).
Anyone I have come across up in my bit all use the same stuff as everybody else, mostly either cigalike stuff coz they haven't learned much yet or the ever present nowadays eGo clearo starter kits.
Unless scheduled to meet for some reason with another forum user I am still the only big mod user I have come across stalking through the town.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 7:59:23 GMT
Interesting. For the sake of balance though should you not use your favourite mod with the batteries you had in the pack once each to compare results ? Only kidding, would be interesting to compare the results vs the batteries in a power regulated mod though. When away from home would be useful for anyone as a battery back up for all our tech though and a bargain at FT prices really. I seldom go away for long myself so don't really have need of it but thank you for the research.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 6:54:48 GMT
All this time and every time its talked about by name I still think of it as a yorkshire e cig.
EE Vic, grate bloke.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 6:50:58 GMT
Well I knew you would move it eventually, lol.
Could not resist reviewing the performance of the leading medical licensing advisory panel in the UK.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 17, 2013 4:58:50 GMT
As has been said anything with fire in the name is usually the cheapest quality battery on the market. I have the classic red ultrafire 3000mAh 18650 and they have less runtime than a cheap 1400mAh IMR batteries from a trusted source, says it all really, the capacity is usually way off. If they lie about storage capacity that badly then I can't trust any other claims they make. The major concern though are the repackaged "fakes" that have flooded the market. Don't know why but the fakers tend to us the cheap brand names more often although fakes of AW's have surfaced but were spotted really quickly. Now when I say say there are different qualities of fake as well. The most reported are recycled batteries which are ripped out of old laptop batteries, recovered with the fake branding and sold on - so these batteries are essentially at the end of their usable life which means failure is imminent be it chemical breakdown or just having no capacity left. Another type seen are smaller batteries like 16340 bunged into a cheap tube along with a connection to the top and some sand/anything that happens to have been lying about the place to make up the weight. These are really dangerous as people have had them short inside the fake tube usually due to bad wiring of the +ve end or the stuff inside used as ballast is conductive. Also protection circuits have funnily enough turned out to be faked too, some are just added on as a cosmetic, some are real but the strip running from top to bottom for the circuit is made from material way out of spec to actually break the circuit is something goes wrong.
You need to follow what other users have discovered with experience now I'm afraid and only from places that others have bought from and had no issues with. I don't mean reviews on vendor sites either I mean us lot at the forums or candlepower forum. Hell some vendors with high turnover have ended up with fakes as they are all through the supply chains, the fakers are very efficient (never understood how making a few cents profit per fake is actually paid for but they do it). This is especially true of ebay, where fakes make up a huge proportion of what's on there. If in doubt, ask the vendor if they have quality/safety batch testing certificates from the manufacturer for their product. If they say no or are not willing to provide them don't buy - simple as that.
You get what you pay for is a very old adage and quite true when it comes to batteries. I want to know the thing I'm filling with loads of explosive power and I plan to put right up to my face is as good a quality as I can get.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 16, 2013 19:39:21 GMT
Hope everybody had a good fathers day. We live on through our children. Don't have any kids that have been identified to me so nothing for me. However I have been remembering my dear departed crazy old goat.
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 16, 2013 19:24:05 GMT
So I was looking for a new set of regulations to cover a product that hasn't been invented yet so I got a sample from the MHRA in the UK. Have to say I was not impressed with delivery times. Takes many years to apparently get anything done as they have meetings and sip tea ? They do a public consultation thing but don't actually listen to members of the public, only interested parties that may have a stake in the outcome (why is it called public then ?). I have concerns about the quality of the product. It seems everybody they used to decide how best to enact regulation has direct connections to industries who have a stake in the general product are they are supposed to be looking at. Also they use evidence given to them by people they assured consumers they would never have dealings with again. I'm confused, does this mean they can't be trusted an inch ? Efficacy. Too early to figure this out despite the years of wrangling they claim to have been doing (for instance they seem to be looking at stuff that is years out of date). From my perspective the result of their work will be a big court case which will have anything they say reversed. P.S. Blimey, I definitely going to paypal for a refund - it seems that they aren't even fully responsible for the legislation they talk with such authority about. I just found out there's this EU thing that has overall mandate for this sort of thing. Paypal better get me my money back on this pile of **** !
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Post by vereybowring on Jun 16, 2013 18:48:32 GMT
This bit I love from the document listed as "Quality, safety and efficacy of unlicensed NCPs". Apparently the MHRA don't know much even about batteries. . .
"The role of the lithium battery in drug delivery is unknown, in particular what happens to drug delivery when the battery comes to the end of its life."
And these are people we're supposed to trust to know how safe medicines are ?
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