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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 15:37:11 GMT
Sigh......
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 14:19:58 GMT
but the "consumer" part is probably the main reason why there has been no progress over the past 2 years and endless discussions carried on over and over again about the exact same thing.....some say as a consumer association they should deal with issues related to trading standards and some say that they should concentrate on the politics. as long as there is "consumer association" in the title then this confusion and debate will continue and that is not doing anyone any good and serving zero purpose
Electronic Cigarette Vapers Association would probably have been more fitting in hindsight
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 13:50:29 GMT
I've never personally ever used a consumer body to represent me in light of receiving bad service or product, although I know people do. I can complain with the best of them and normally resolve issues like that to my advantage myself. I don't need ECCA to write to trading standards, that is easily accomplished by just visiting TS's website.precisely! and that applies to every single other person too! that is the very reason why i am saying that they can eliminate all this fannying about by simply stating that from now on ECCA deals with the protection of electronic cigarettes rather than the consumer issues applicable to trading standards.......they should then just call themselves ECA (Electronic Cigarette Association) and end all these petty issues in one swift swoop i bet if they done that so from now on everyone is extremely clear of their purpose and the consumer aspect causing disputes and confusion is eliminated then they will find people to be far more willing in coming forward to help / promote etc......simply because they will know that everyone is on the same page with the same goals it also then would not matter one bit if a supplier was funding them or even if a supplier was sitting in the hot seat. but whilst it remains as a consumer association then the supplier issue will constantly be a topic for questioning......after all, how can you have a supplier funding a consumer association without there being a conflict of interests that will undoubtedly be dragged up over and over again remove the consumer tag, switch to ECA, declare the mission statement to be about protection and then it wont matter about suppliers bank rolling them and everyone else can focus on the task in hand...if it doesnt change then we will still be discussing this in another 2 years time
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 13:03:17 GMT
For 2 years the exact same confusion has been going round in circles over and over again with regards to what a consumer association should represent. If that is not a sign that there is a quite blatant issue that needs addressing for ECCA to progress then I don't know what is! And why 2 parties? Just let trading standards deal with consumer issues as usual and free up ECCA to concentrate solely on the politics If they just openly state "our goal from this day forward is solely focused on the prevention of any possible bans" then everyone is on the same page, everyone knows what they are about and everyone will be able to move forward!
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 12:40:59 GMT
This confusion has been going on for 2 years with zero progress made and will just continue to hold back ECCA from what it is they are trying to achieve then
Seriously, this is like Groundhog Day......this exact scenario was being discussed 2 years ago! Lol
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 12:07:23 GMT
But is that a consumer associations objective or should that be something a whole new e-cig political setup should be dealing with?
Yes, a ban etc would obviously concern consumers, but my definition of a consumer association is an organisation that deals with consumer rights rather than political agendas
The political side of things has always been ECCA's main focus so why not just change the name to avoid all this fuss and confusion. Probably the biggest issue of ECCA is that they want to follow the political route whilst allowing many people to believe that they are a consumer association (because people have a very different view as to what a consumer association represents)......change the name, remove the connection, eliminate the confusion
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 11:45:54 GMT
ive got a Gimp outfit....any good? lol
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Post by igetcha on Apr 15, 2013 11:18:07 GMT
hi all,
i was not at the meeting last night so do not really know who was in the wrong or right with regards to why the meeting descended into a slanging match / fiasco, but i would like to share some thoughts with regards to Ged (itsmeitis)
ive known Ged for quite some time now via my forum and he is without a shadow of a doubt an argumentative git (though he would say debatable git, lol). to many he may well come across as negative or a troublemaker, but when it comes to ECCA, consumer rights and a consumer association i can assure you with 100% confidence that if you as a consumer had an issue with a supplier and were given a choice between the current ECCA set up or Ged to act on your behalf then Ged is who you would want in your corner every single time. this is for the very simple reason that Ged is only concerned about the rights of the consumer and could not give a toss if a supplier got upset in the process
with the current ECCA setup, if a consumer went to them with a problem they would 1st have a meeting to decide whether a meeting to discuss the issue is worthy. they would then vote for the aforementioned meeting once they have decided a new date to have a meeting so the vote can take place. a new meeting would then have to be put in place to decide what voting options should be considered but then the vote meeting would have to be reconvened to a later date because everyone has already forgotten what the original meeting was about in the 1st place (confused? precisely my point!)
alternatively, if a consumer approached Ged and said im having an issue with a supplier he would look at the situation, decide if there was cause for complaint, approach the supplier, if no resolve with the supplier he would then take it up with a trading standards rep........job done
personally i am neither for or against ECCA, but i just cant see what they can offer a consumer that trading standards dont already. if anything i feel that ECCA should be a source of information based around consumer rights and correct selling practices and that they should definitely get friendly with a trading standards representative who will actually carry some weight. i.e. ECCA should act as a go between the supplier and trading standards when a consumer dispute arises
myself and a few others spoke to Roly via my chat room several months ago and explained that ECCA dont carry any clout to deal with consumer issues. we stated that ECCA should get in touch with trading standards and get their own personal point of contact / rep so when consumer disputes arise they can pick up a phone and speak to the person directly for advise which they can then forward on to both supplier and customer whilst gathering their own evidence and information from the upset consumer. if the trading standards rep feels the consumer has a valid case and the supplier still wont budge then ECCA can provide their trading standards rep with all the facts / evidence / statements etc from which trading standards then take it to the next level armed with a ton of information
as it currently stands, if a consumer with an issue approached ECCA and they then approached the supplier (after many meetings of course) the supplier would more than likely tell them to sling their hook simply because they have no clout.....but if that supplier knew ECCA were working alongside trading standards and that if they didnt comply they faced prosecution etc then it would be a very different outcome
so just ask yourselves, if you was a consumer with an issue would you want people representing you that are more interested in not upsetting the supplier, endless meetings discussing politics and almost no forward moving progress in their 2 year existence......or an argumentative git that will vigorously fight your case and demand immediate action because he is passionate about your consumer rights
let ECITA deal with the politics / bans etc (which i believe they are!) and let ECCA deal with consumer rights......after all, its meant to be a consumer association!
cheers
scott
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Post by igetcha on Mar 21, 2013 19:27:36 GMT
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Post by igetcha on Feb 22, 2013 0:39:26 GMT
received mine too! many thanks
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Post by igetcha on Feb 7, 2013 12:54:17 GMT
really nice upgrade Chrissie......looks great!
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Post by igetcha on Feb 6, 2013 23:18:02 GMT
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Post by igetcha on Dec 3, 2012 0:05:01 GMT
i cant help but wonder what i would actually use on it though? because of its design it will look really pants / top heavy with my usual vapes such as a Genesis atty or Trap Tank......seems like it was designed with a regular 510 atomiser / cartomiser in mind and it must be well over a year now since i have vaped those
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Post by igetcha on Dec 2, 2012 23:27:29 GMT
They're also the people that invented the ego you put the chunk of plastic on that's been copied a million fold i believe this is an appropriate time to say "Touché" lol
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