Buying & Selling on the Classified Board

[Bluefish]

Imo, there are good reason's for having a certain post count, but there are also good reasons for not, so I guess it's down to the seller to stipulate, their terms of sale, ie, i will not sell to members with a less than 50 post count, or The person whom contact's me first will not necessarily be the person who buy's the item.

I offered to buy a clockworcks RDA on UKV and I'm possitive I was the first person to post and pm the seller, but she decided to sell it to someone else, hence i don't go there much now, see work's both way's.

[reefcat]

"As a forum, we are in the best one, IMVHO. So when one of the guys puts anything for sale. They are expecting it to go to one of his "buddies". So when somebody unknown takes it, or even enquires about it, my shackles go up > . "

I've been a member of this forum since July, and probably lurked for 5 or 6 weeks prior to joining up. I'm not a serial poster by any means, tending to read lots if not most posts, but fairly rarely feel that I have very much to contribute, especially to "social" threads. I have started a couple of threads, and I agree that it is probably the friendliest forum on the interweb (apart for a hobby related forum that I am Admin for)

I was recently in the right place and at the right time to buy a Penelope through the classifieds (it's great). I also bought a couple of used DCTs and some juices when I first started vaping. My post count was low, and I had no problem with the sellers.

I think trying to limit access to the classifieds to "senior" members would be a retrograde step, I'm sure many newbies get their first batch of juices or even a used shiny through the forum, as I did. It would be a shame to limit their access to some good deals, just to try and hinder a few commercial opportunists.

[Roger]

Oct 31, 2012 17:02:27 GMT reefcat said:

"As a forum, we are in the best one, IMVHO. So when one of the guys puts anything for sale. They are expecting it to go to one of his "buddies". So when somebody unknown takes it, or even enquires about it, my shackles go up > . "

I've been a member of this forum since July, and probably lurked for 5 or 6 weeks prior to joining up. I'm not a serial poster by any means, tending to read lots if not most posts, but fairly rarely feel that I have very much to contribute, especially to "social" threads. I have started a couple of threads, and I agree that it is probably the friendliest forum on the interweb (apart for a hobby related forum that I am Admin for)

I was recently in the right place and at the right time to buy a Penelope through the classifieds (it's great). I also bought a couple of used DCTs and some juices when I first started vaping. My post count was low, and I had no problem with the sellers.

I think trying to limit access to the classifieds to "senior" members would be a retrograde step, I'm sure many newbies get their first batch of juices or even a used shiny through the forum, as I did. It would be a shame to limit their access to some good deals, just to try and hinder a few commercial opportunists.

I don't think anyone want to restrict the classifieds, we want to protect all members from the sharks. You say you had no problems with sellers, that was because you had posted in other areas, so were "known".

[Roger]

Posting again because I feel quite strongly about this. This is a great forum (in the main) and the first place a lot of newcomers get loads of good advice and help.

Personally I don't want to see any of the members here getting 'done over' by a shark. If you have doubts about a buyer or seller, ask a Mod, or seek advice from someone you trust.

Oh and a mini rant, would people please read what has been written, before responding!!!

[santa668]

Hmm, I'm not a huge fan of the post count method (checks his post count...:~) no definitely not a fan lol. I've really benefited from buying a couple of used mods - one on here and one on UKV, and I use them exclusively now.

I guess the real question is: why introduce restrictions in the first place? Have there been significant problems where sellers/buyers have been ripped off? Are there sharks on here who have abused the trust implicit in the forum?

My understanding of the classy sections is that they are there for the benefit of members wanting to sell on a bit of gear they no longer want/need/can afford to keep. If they get a genuine sale, where's the problem? If someone misses out on buying a piece of kit they wanted, well that's a shame, but it's the luck of the draw really whether or not you have checked the threads recently.

Since we can't sell this stuff on eBay, people looking to buy/sell secondhand gear are limited to classy sections. As long as both seller and buyer are happy with the transaction, does anybody else need to get involved?
One of the benefits of buying/selling on the classies are that you can check out people's post history and get a feel for their personality etc - proof that there is a real person behind the offer! I would suggest that it should be up to the seller to decide if they want to sell to someone, and the buyer should not use the paypal gift option in order to retain their paypal buyer protection in case of a vanishing seller. Caveat emptor/venditor...

Since UKV introduced their post count limitation, the classies on there seem to have slowed down a bit. I feel it was a mistake to do so, but the community there seemed to be in favour.

Rogerh: You say no one wants to restrict the classies, but from some of the posts on this thread, it seems like some people *do* want to do so. I think those of us who don't agree should make the argument against such restrictions before they get introduced.

As a constant lurker, but slow poster, I don't want to see rules that disadvantage me But if the community feels that only hardcore members should be able to buy and sell, then I guess that's up to you multi-hundred post guys. However, I feel a better option would be to have a separate sub-board which is limited to a minimum post-count/length of time as a member so that those who wish to buy/sell with such restrictions can, and those who don't wish to do so can use the main board.

This is a very friendly forum, whereas UKV can often feel quite combative - one of the reasons I don't post there very often.

I don't often post, but when I do it's because something sparked my interest. I'm just not very chatty otherwise. I guess that could be a problem for a forum tho

My
Nick

EDIT: wow, that img was larger than I expected

[Roger]

Oct 31, 2012 18:16:33 GMT santa668 said:

Rogerh: You say no one wants to restrict the classies, but from some of the posts on this thread, it seems like some people *do* want to do so.

I don't think the Mods and the majority of members want to restrict the classifieds, but some posters (see my mini rant above) are not reading some of the posts properly.

It's about protecting members.

Edit, Skimming the thread again, it seems to be 50/50 about restricting. Perhaps it needs a poll.

[jayjay]

Ok my 2 cents worth.


On ukv I've made hardly any posts at all, but many purchases. I believe I've been left good feedback from the sellers I've bought from. And members of ukv can see very quickly and easily my feedback and who's left it.
I don't like posting on ukv toooo much because I find it a bit brutal sometimes. Even on this forum I find myself not talking as much as I would coz everyone knows I have a habit of talking gibberish or starting fall outs

I think a minimum post count could lead to people just talking gibberish like me!
I really have no problems with sellers stipulating rules. I like the feedback system. Unsure if it could be implemented though.

[kickit]

In my experience of forums - and I do have a fair bit elsewhere - it seems to hold true that if 50 % of members are happy with something and 50% aren't, then you've got it about right! Lets face it, if you make the change then you just reverse the happies and unhappies

[Chrissie]

Oct 31, 2012 19:22:18 GMT kickit said:

In my experience of forums - and I do have a fair bit elsewhere - it seems to hold true that if 50 % of members are happy with something and 50% aren't, then you've got it about right! Lets face it, if you make the change then you just reverse the happies and unhappies

Spot on Kickit

So far, we have very few problems/upsets re the classifieds, so IMHO it's working as it stands

I really can understand though that folks get upset about new members that only post in the classies. However, as I said earlier on, it is so much easier to check out a member that has 9 posts for instance & only posted in the classies rather than trying to check out a member with 100 posts that has just posted anywhere to raise their post count.

[suede]

Feel safe with me sellers--I haven't a clue what that stuff your selling actually is. :-[

[Phoenixflame (Julie)]

Same here suede !

[Anne (fuzzy)]

My opinion is as long as you're getting your asking price for something and the buyer pays before you send it, as they do anyway, I can't see a problem TBH.
But, I do agree it's much nicer to sell *whatever* to an established member. (Rather than a minimum post count or someone that's literally just joined because they've seen the ad.) So if that's the sellers preference, then it could be stipulated in the ad.

What really puts my back up is when a member kindly puts something free up for another member who hasn't been using e cigs for long and someone instantly joins and asks for it. >