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[maccafan]

Nov 20, 2012 9:39:48 GMT Greigster said:

Nov 19, 2012 22:14:01 GMT Gordy said:

its a shame you wernt a week earlier as i sold the two i got on the AAEC group buy for cost

No its not a shame Gordy

What Gordy is trying to say I guess is that if you buy in co-op it's for personal use and not for anyone to sell them on for a profit. If you want to sell, you sell it at cost.

I or any organiser could buy them in bulk and sell them for a profit myself without all the extra work required to organize them..They are organised to help a part of the vaping community acquire stuff which is not yet available in UK at a decent price.

Buying twice the quantity required with the intention of selling one on at a profit goes against the spirit of a co-op buy. If I find anyone doing this, I will not allow them take part in any future co-ops that I organize, and will limit numbers to one each for everyone.

It's disgusting that members are asking for £20 for an item that cost them less than £12.00 a piece.

[greendollar]

Nov 20, 2012 9:59:35 GMT maccafan said:

Nov 20, 2012 9:39:48 GMT Greigster said:

No its not a shame Gordy

What Gordy is trying to say I guess is that if you buy in co-op it's for personal use and not for anyone to sell them on for a profit. If you want to sell, you sell it at cost.

I or any organiser could buy them in bulk and sell them for a profit myself without all the extra work required to organize them..They are organised to help a part of the vaping community acquire stuff which is not yet available in UK at a decent price.

Buying twice the quantity required with the intention of selling one on at a profit goes against the spirit of a co-op buy. If I find anyone doing this, I will not allow them take part in any future co-ops that I organize, and will limit numbers to one each for everyone.

It's disgusting that members are asking for £20 for an item that cost them less than £12.00 a piece.

Hang on , they weren't £12 delivered to my door , plus there is the cost of posting them on , in the end . at most , I might have made a few pence .
I didn't buy mine with the intention of making a profit , I had a play around with it and decided to let someone else have a go .

I do agree that limiting members to one each is a good idea if it bothers you that people are in it solely to sell them on for profit , you do , after all , put alot of the work in to ensure that these Co-ops run aswell as they do , which I REALLY appreciate as everyone does .

regards Greendollar

[ian]

I totally agree Macca,didn't realise they were purchased in the co-op for £12 each as i wasn't around when the co-op took part.Oh well,if anyone wants to sell me one at the co-op price paid then let me know,don't mind paying £15 to cover postage costs but i now feel £20 is just selling on to make a profit,not good :(Thanks for the links Azzie,i will order one from Britvapes if nobody has one to sell at a fair price here.

[maccafan]

Nov 20, 2012 10:21:34 GMT greendollar said:

Hang on , they weren't £12 delivered to my door , plus there is the cost of posting them on , in the end . at most , I might have made a few pence .
I didn't buy mine with the intention of making a profit , I had a play around with it and decided to let someone else have a go .

I do agree that limiting members to one each is a good idea if it bothers you that people are in it solely to sell them on for profit , you do , after all , put alot of the work in to ensure that these Co-ops run aswell as they do , which I REALLY appreciate as everyone does .

regards Greendollar

I can work it out and you stand to make £3.00 if you flog it at £20.00 and not pennies.

It does bother me..I can't stop anyone from justifying to themselves or selling them on at 20% profit but I sure can stop them from participating in the future co-ops I organize. They can get their stuff for retail prices and flog them on.

What bothers me even more is people openly discussing "buying two and selling one"..I don't organize not for profit co-ops to kill local vendors. Which is why I am quite careful in what products I select and criteria is that they must not be for sale at local vendors at the time I organize the co-op.

[OneDay]

Nov 20, 2012 11:47:18 GMT maccafan said:

Nov 20, 2012 10:21:34 GMT greendollar said:

Hang on , they weren't £12 delivered to my door , plus there is the cost of posting them on , in the end . at most , I might have made a few pence .
I didn't buy mine with the intention of making a profit , I had a play around with it and decided to let someone else have a go .

I do agree that limiting members to one each is a good idea if it bothers you that people are in it solely to sell them on for profit , you do , after all , put alot of the work in to ensure that these Co-ops run aswell as they do , which I REALLY appreciate as everyone does .

regards Greendollar

I can work it out and you stand to make £3.00 if you flog it at £20.00 and not pennies.

It does bother me..I can't stop anyone from justifying to themselves or selling them on at 20% profit but I sure can stop them from participating in the future co-ops I organize. They can get their stuff for retail prices and flog them on.

What bothers me even more is people openly discussing "buying two and selling one"..I don't organize not for profit co-ops to kill local vendors. Which is why I am quite careful in what products I select and criteria is that they must not be for sale at local vendors at the time I organize the co-op.

Macca I agree with you totally. In this instance I didn't read the "buy two sell one" as encouragement for profiteering. Ian wanted to buy one. Frogster had two he was selling as a pair. Ian said he didn't need two, so Collie suggested buying the two, keeping one and selling one of them on.

[greendollar]

Nov 20, 2012 11:47:18 GMT maccafan said:

Nov 20, 2012 10:21:34 GMT greendollar said:

Hang on , they weren't £12 delivered to my door , plus there is the cost of posting them on , in the end . at most , I might have made a few pence .
I didn't buy mine with the intention of making a profit , I had a play around with it and decided to let someone else have a go .

I do agree that limiting members to one each is a good idea if it bothers you that people are in it solely to sell them on for profit , you do , after all , put alot of the work in to ensure that these Co-ops run aswell as they do , which I REALLY appreciate as everyone does .

regards Greendollar

I can work it out and you stand to make £3.00 if you flog it at £20.00 and not pennies.

It does bother me..I can't stop anyone from justifying to themselves or selling them on at 20% profit but I sure can stop them from participating in the future co-ops I organize. They can get their stuff for retail prices and flog them on.

What bothers me even more is people openly discussing "buying two and selling one"..I don't organize not for profit co-ops to kill local vendors. Which is why I am quite careful in what products I select and criteria is that they must not be for sale at local vendors at the time I organize the co-op.

Whhooaa there , I don't want to talk myself out of being able to participate in future Co-ops BUT what with the wire & mesh I also provided as an extra AND the £3.65 to post recorded delivery I ain't made £3 on the deal .
I reckon £20 was a fair price to help someone out who was struggling to find a vendor that had these in stock so please don't be disgusted with me .

I can't speak for others selling theres but I wouldn't go out to rip some-one off , quite the opposite .

I hope that by selling mine I haven't excluded myself from future Co-ops and if it really bothers you that much I'll refrain from selling items (for more tha cost price) purchased in AAEC Co-op buys .

kind regards Greendollar

[domesticextremist]

I'm with macca on this one, selling on stuff second
hand should really be done at cost or less.
Even if unused - we only have the seller's word for that.

It would be a shame f the trust and free labour that went
into the co-op were to be destroyed by people making a
profit, however small.

[maccafan]

Nov 20, 2012 12:02:44 GMT greendollar said:

Whhooaa there , I don't want to talk myself out of being able to participate in future Co-ops BUT what with the wire & mesh I also provided as an extra AND the £3.65 to post recorded delivery I ain't made £3 on the deal .
I reckon £20 was a fair price to help someone out who was struggling to find a vendor that had these in stock so please don't be disgusted with me .

I can't speak for others selling theres but I wouldn't go out to rip some-one off , quite the opposite .

I hope that by selling mine I haven't excluded myself from future Co-ops and if it really bothers you that much I'll refrain from selling items purchased in AAEC Co-op buys .

kind regards Greendollar

If you provide a little bit of mesh and wire as an extra, that's what it is, an extra..I send some juice if anyone buys anything off me..I don't build the cost of the juice into the item I am selling..Others have done the same when I bought stuff of them..At the end of the day people are buying the main item off you..Not the wire and mesh.

I have no objection to anyone selling stuff they acquired in a co-op if they can't get on with it for whatsoever reason. Pass it on to someone else at cost and that includes local postage. I am not asking anyone to make a loss.

Just don't participate in co-ops if you want to do it for profit.

Cost of item: £13.53
Local post : £3.65

Total cost : £17.18

Selling cost : £20.00

Profit: £2.62 ie., 15.25%.

Cheaper to buy from Britvapes for £18.00 including delivery.

[greendollar]

£2.62 , I'm rich , didn't realise that I'd made that much .

Joking aside I do understand where you're coming from Macca , I'm pretty new to this malarky and the last thing I want to do is upset someone , consider my wrist well and truly slapped and it won't happen again . :-[

[maccafan]

It's not the amount but the principle of it..At the end of the day it's yours and you paid for it and you can do what you wish with it..If you sold it to a mate at work for £25.00 I would be none the wiser.

No need to consider anything slapped..It was not my intention and I am glad you understand my point of view.

[jayjay]

I doubt anyone intentionally tried to profit, but I'm glad this point has been highlighted.We don't want to take anything away from a very successful group buy were people put time and effort in for free.

[Skwoddy]

Perhaps a couple of side notes in the coop T&C's both for buyers and sellers could clarify a few things before this raises its head in open forum, Just a thought.

[ian]

Just to clarify,Oneday you are correct in what you said.When Frogster said he would only sell the Atomisers as a pair i obviously only wanted the one,what I was considering doing was buying both for the £38 he was asking, and then selling one on for £19 meaning that i get the one atomiser i wanted and pass the other on for what i paid for it.

[ian]

Payment sent to Staf for his Aga-T so guess this thread is completed :)Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help.