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[doodlebug]

Hi all,

We have a WONDERFUL opportunity at the moment to get the truth out there, to people with the power to make use of it!

It is very long, but my blog tonight (available here: ukvapers.com/blog/23/entry-115-the-most-excellent-center-for-regulatory-excellence/) details what's going on, and how you can get involved if you would like to.

So grab a beer, or a cuppa, put your feet up, get stuck in - and let's sock it to em!

Thank you

Cheers,

Katherine

[jerryrm]

It's a government watchdog group, Katherine. This is the first time that I have heard of it, but we have so many watchdog groups over here, it's hard to keep up with all of them. They can put convincing evidence in favor of e-cigs, in front of the FDA, but the FDA doesn't have to pay attention to it, as they and the alphabet groups have chosen to ignore favorable evidence in the past.

Still though, it's worth a try, they seem to be on our side, which is good.

[doodlebug]

I am aware of that, Jerry, however I feel it is essential that we engage with this group, particularly at this time, because it will tie in with what I am working on to present to the FDA concerning the regulatory framework. (I'm working with Julie, Treece and Mark at MadVapes on this.)

By the way, although appointed by government to oversee regulatory activities, the CRE is actually independent of the Federal government, and is independently funded, so more valuable than they may seem at first glance.

This agency (the CRE) may not have as much clout as we would like, but nevertheless, in combination with Darryll Issa (with whom we shall be corresponding), I believe that this will form an important thread in the overall canvass, if you will.

I do hope that people with sensible and intelligent comments to make (which I believe is the vast majority of the peeps in our vaping community!) will do so, if they can spare the time. It is my intention to gather together some of the more relevant comments as part of our submission in due course.

Where we can 'impress' one group with our common sense approach, and our intelligence, we can impress others - and more importantly, ensure that they are at least aware of the truth before they make daft decisions.

Cheers,

Katherine

[Chrissie]

Thanks Katherine - excellent blog as usual:)

I also thought the comment on the CRE's website by Nathan T, M.D. was especially brilliant

www.thecre.com/tpsac/?p=1027&cpage=2#comments

[doodlebug]

Exactly, Chrissie, which is why I reproduced it in my blog post! lol (And thank you for your kind words! )

At last, it seems we are beginning to find mechanisms for getting the truth out there. The CRE may not be as powerful as some of us would like, but they ARE in a position of having sufficient authority to produce white papers advising the FDA, and of being able to hold them account when they act in flagrant disobedience of the law!

Surely, this can only be a good thing!

Right, I'm off to compose my comments to both IPD's.

[jerryrm]

Katherine, if Julie is part of this, then count me in, too.

I'm afraid that over the past year, I have become cynical of the motives of the FDA, as I have seen them completely ignore favorable e-cig comments and research. Instead, they just keep repeating the same old propaganda about cancer cause chemicals and anti-freeze.

Julie would not get involved in another hopeless cause, so maybe it's time again for me to stop being a pessimist and start being an optimist.

[doodlebug]

I'm not quite sure what I have indicated Julie is part of.... I simply meant that we are discussing the finer points of the legal situation, because she is an absolute MINE of information, and knows far more than I do about how your system works.

I shall be taking apart the FSPTCA soon, and shall be grateful for support, knowledge and advice from Julie and Treece as I do so.

From what I can gather, Julie shares some of your concerns about the CRE. I am viewing this as part of a wider strategy however, and believe that we can use these things to help the cause enormously.

Sorry if what I said was misleading.

Cheers,

Katherine

[jerryrm]

Julie and I know how the system works over here, Katherine. It's all about money and votes and whoever can provide the most of either one or both, wins.

I may sound like I'm trying to discourage you, but that's not my intention. Maybe someone in power will eventually listen to us, if we yell loud and long enough.

[doodlebug]

I can totally understand why you're disillusioned, but having read the statute for FSPTCA, I can see solutions leaping off the page! And with the CRE making the noises they are, and similar things occurring with the RPC over here, it's hard not to see that progress can be made.

This is rather neatly underscored by the recent Court decisions, and I'm sure we can agree that the BT vs FDA case is going to be VERY interesting!

I believe things are actually changing in Harm Reduction terms now. The international movement supporting Harm Reduction is going from strength to strength, and I truly believe that we MUST keep trying to get the truth out there. Somebody, somewhere will listen - and never forget that we have the truth on our side.

It'll all come right in the wash

[Chrissie]

Hope you don't mind Katherine, I'm going to move this to the promoting & campaigning section

[foxy9212]

Katherine, I'm afraid I'm fast joining the ranks of the disillusioned; it's quite clear the FDA, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and Governments almost everywhere would rather poke their eyes out with burning sticks than see the e-cig available to all who want it. Most smokers I know are highly sceptical about the use of liquid nicotine as they place more faith in the FDA and their ilk than mere users. Despite a court ruling being made in favour of two e-cig vendors in the US, it would now appear that the Customs there have been ordered to seize supplies from the UK. I feel that no e-liquid or devices will be considered as 'legitimate' unless someone comes up with the millions to pass all the necessary tests to prove conclusively that the e-cigarette is a completely harmless alternative to burning tobacco. Sorry to be so negative but I've typed responses to almost every e-cig article I can find on the 'Net and it's becoming very wearing. Is anyone listening?

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