E-cigarettes to be BANNED in MHRA statement - READ THIS NOW!

[beeman]

Jun 13, 2013 10:48:40 GMT collie2011 said:

Jun 13, 2013 10:40:03 GMT beeman said:

When all said and done the powers that be already know exactly what will be happening in the years to come the road map has already been laid out.
The tobacco and phama companies know too the ecig products will already be in final stages of development and testing.
So all the letters and protest will fall on deaf ears. This is business and money nothing else.
Vaping for the masses as we know it are in the final days and nothing anyone does is going to change this fact.
When Billions of ££s are involved a few hundred thousand people screaming is no more than a drop in the ocean its sad to say.
The only thing we should be doing in carry on as normal stock up as much as possible to carry on vaping for as long as possible
4 or 5 litres a year stored up will see us all taken care of for many years to come more if you can afford to add more years.
The cost of smoking far exceeds the cost of stocking up I know many will say they can not afford to stock pile but we always found the money to buy fags how ever hard up we were! THE END IS COMING and it may arrive sooner than 31st December 2015

That doesn't mean we should just lie down and take it though! It means you should still try, you should still fight and you should still exercise your right to speak up and be counted. A defeatist attitude won't get us anywhere, do you really want to just lie down and let them take stuff away from us? Do you really think they will stop there? Whether we are successful in stopping this or not, wouldn't you rather say "I tried to stop this" or would you rather say "I did nothing".

Im not saying not to fight we all need to fight for what we think is right but just stating what the fact are when it comes to business and this is a business and we are the comsumers but the business owners are not the ones the powers that be want.
In affect this is a hostile take over!

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 10:53:33 GMT markm said:

Jun 13, 2013 10:40:03 GMT beeman said:

When all said and done the powers that be already know exactly what will be happening in the years to come the road map has already been laid out.
The tobacco and phama companies know too the ecig products will already be in final stages of development and testing.
So all the letters and protest will fall on deaf ears. This is business and money nothing else.
Vaping for the masses as we know it are in the final days and nothing anyone does is going to change this fact.
When Billions of ££s are involved a few hundred thousand people screaming is no more than a drop in the ocean its sad to say.
The only thing we should be doing in carry on as normal stock up as much as possible to carry on vaping for as long as possible
4 or 5 litres a year stored up will see us all taken care of for many years to come more if you can afford to add more years.
The cost of smoking far exceeds the cost of stocking up I know many will say they can not afford to stock pile but we always found the money to buy fags how ever hard up we were! THE END IS COMING and it may arrive sooner than 31st December 2015

Yes I agree, this often how things do work, but not when the people say NO loud enough, look round the world
right now - there are a lot of people saying just that to their respective goventments on all sorts of issues.
As far as PV/E Cigs are concerned the normal script is being slowed, if not stopped, we need more volume.

We have two angles of attack:
The first and possibly the most important is spreading the word, get smokers to convert. Make sure fellow vapers
know the threat to this.

The second is showing those that get to cast the votes just how many people are affected, and how many more people
will become affected down the line.

    

Nothing gets a politicians attention more than a large volume of people approaching near to an election. When is it 2015?

[vereybowring]

In all likelihood what the MHRA have proposed would also fail under a court case, as possibly any medicalisation by the EU TPD.
I still want to shout at politicians to tell them how they are being deceived or are trying to deceive the public.
I'm not going to sit about waiting for someone else to do the work hoping to be left alone - or indeed be a frankly lamentable defeatist like beeman.

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 10:56:27 GMT vereybowring said:

In all likelihood what the MHRA have proposed would also fail under a court case, as possibly any medicalisation by the EU TPD.
I still want to shout at politicians to tell them how they are being deceived or are trying to deceive the public.
I'm not going to sit about waiting for someone else to do the work hoping to be left alone - or indeed be a frankly lamentable defeatist like beeman.

Good for you VB and this might help you with your other problems hun. Give you something to get up and fight for. Proud of you!

[collie2011]

Things like the twitter bomb are a great idea, but maybe we need to target news outlets, BBC, Sky news, newspapers etc. Let's get the word to the masses!!

[Jen]

Looks like we should be lawyering up somehow then, right?

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 11:01:35 GMT collie2011 said:

Things like the twitter bomb are a great idea, but maybe we need to target news outlets, BBC, Sky news, newspapers etc. Let's get the word to the masses!!

I have heard of this, but what is it?

[collie2011]

Jun 13, 2013 11:01:40 GMT Jen said:

Looks like we should be lawyering up somehow then, right?

A lawyer or barrister who understands this stuff on our side would be a great asset. Think of the twitter joke trial and the publicity raised from that through celebrities and the legal bod that won the case for him was found through twitter too. Social media is a powerful tool here.

[vereybowring]

Jun 13, 2013 10:59:49 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Good for you VB and this might help you with your other problems hun. Give you something to get up and fight for. Proud of you!

I have been doing what I can to fight for my right to choice since I found vaping and will keep doing as much as I am able till they either see sense or I die, whichever comes first.

Early in ECCA I gave support but had to pull back due to health but I was brought up to stand by what you know to be right even if it kills you. Frankly the whole MHRA thing has set me off again with my depression but I am not going the let the b******s get away with the crap they are trying to foist on us.

If everybody on all the various forums had the same attitude and didn't just talk about it we would be much further ahead with this.

Today and tomorrow I have benefits stuff I need to sort out but then I will be starting off by carefully wording more correspondence for the leeches of the public purse (politicians). I already sent my views on the MHRA to the BBC and will do so for the other media that covered this. I am going to get back to twitter too as every little helps when fighting against such deluded and corrupted organisations.

[Roger]

Jun 13, 2013 10:56:27 GMT vereybowring said:

In all likelihood what the MHRA have proposed would also fail under a court case, as possibly any medicalisation by the EU TPD.
I still want to shout at politicians to tell them how they are being deceived or are trying to deceive the public.
I'm not going to sit about waiting for someone else to do the work hoping to be left alone - or indeed be a frankly lamentable defeatist like beeman.

If that was in response to my earlier post about ECCA forum reps, then you misunderstand what I meant.  I am willing and happy to anything that is needed, I just feel that it needs to be coordinated and our Consumer Association reps would be the ideal ones to do it.  If I am wrong, then I apologise and will stop being so sensitive. 

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 11:10:21 GMT Roger said:

Jun 13, 2013 10:56:27 GMT vereybowring said:

In all likelihood what the MHRA have proposed would also fail under a court case, as possibly any medicalisation by the EU TPD.
I still want to shout at politicians to tell them how they are being deceived or are trying to deceive the public.
I'm not going to sit about waiting for someone else to do the work hoping to be left alone - or indeed be a frankly lamentable defeatist like beeman.

If that was in response to my earlier post about ECCA forum reps, then you misunderstand what I meant.  I am willing and happy to anything that is needed, I just feel that it needs to be coordinated and our Consumer Association reps would be the ideal ones to do it.  If I am wrong, then I apologise and will stop being so sensitive. 

Yeah, pack it in. Stop being so sensitive!

[vereybowring]

Jun 13, 2013 11:10:21 GMT Roger said:

If that was in response to my earlier post about ECCA forum reps, then you misunderstand what I meant.  I am willing and happy to anything that is needed, I just feel that it needs to be coordinated and our Consumer Association reps would be the ideal ones to do it.  If I am wrong, then I apologise and will stop being so sensitive. 

No I was not aiming my comment at you or specifically at anybody else.

I have noticed however there are those about who rant on many of the forums about doing something about our plight but in actuality never seem to do even one thing apart from more ranting.

[beeman]

Millions of people used Snus in every country of the EU the only place in the EU it`s legal is Sweden the place it started and as part of there entry to the EU they got to keep it. Cancer rates in Sweden are very low as Snus is popular there. Health has nothing to do with any of this Money has everything to do with this.
They don`t care if you live or die we live in UK PLC if they cared Cigarettes would have been banned years ago the facts are the kill you end of story

[Roger]

Jun 13, 2013 11:14:28 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Jun 13, 2013 11:10:21 GMT Roger said:

If that was in response to my earlier post about ECCA forum reps, then you misunderstand what I meant.  I am willing and happy to anything that is needed, I just feel that it needs to be coordinated and our Consumer Association reps would be the ideal ones to do it.  If I am wrong, then I apologise and will stop being so sensitive. 

Yeah, pack it in. Stop being so sensitive!

Oohh you *****  

[Roger]

Jun 13, 2013 11:15:15 GMT vereybowring said:

Jun 13, 2013 11:10:21 GMT Roger said:

If that was in response to my earlier post about ECCA forum reps, then you misunderstand what I meant.  I am willing and happy to anything that is needed, I just feel that it needs to be coordinated and our Consumer Association reps would be the ideal ones to do it.  If I am wrong, then I apologise and will stop being so sensitive. 

No I was not aiming my comment at you or specifically at anybody else.

I have noticed however there are those about who rant on many of the forums about doing something about our plight but in actuality never seem to do even one thing apart from more ranting.

That's OK then    That is why I think it's time for our new association reps to work together, get the ranters to actually help, not just be keyboard warriors.