general coils question

[fiddles]

Apr 30, 2014 9:43:16 GMT lairey said:

Apr 30, 2014 9:37:45 GMT stamina said:

The vaping satisfaction one gets after ones build whether its micro macro nano or dual coil. Plenty of options to improve ones vaping performance.

So what's the actual difference between a micro/macro/nano coil?  

From Videos I have watched a nano coil is wrapped around something like a pin shaft & cotton wool is packed against coil not through coil as in micro coil

[lairey]

Apr 30, 2014 10:56:00 GMT fiddles said:

Apr 30, 2014 9:43:16 GMT lairey said:

So what's the actual difference between a micro/macro/nano coil?  

From Videos I have watched a nano coil is wrapped around something like a pin shaft & cotton wool is packed against coil not through coil as in micro coil

Thanks fiddles... am assuming then that they would benefit sub ohmers then as resistance would be much lower?

[Deleted]

Lairey The difference between micro and nano is the inside diameter of the coil.

Macrocoils builds are wrapped around something that has a large diameter, i.e anything over 2mm and also depends on the gauge of the wire. Most people use 24awg : 28awg
Microcoils builds have a diameter less than 2mm
Nanocoils builds less than 1mm and nanocoils are less than that

The thinner the wire, the less wraps/turns one would need to get a similar result.

Example
8 wraps of .25 around a 2mm bit would give a resistance of 1.85
5 wraps of .20 around a 2mm bit would give a resistance of 1.87

This would also depends on the awg of a wire

AWG = American gauge wire.

The lower the AWG, the thicker the conductor
The thicker the wire, the lower the AWG, and the lower the resistance per unit of length.

I think!

[lairey]

Apr 30, 2014 11:03:18 GMT stamina said:

Lairey The difference between micro and nano is the inside diameter of the coil.

Macrocoils builds are wrapped around something that has a large diameter, i.e anything over 2mm and also depends on the gauge of the wire. Most people use 24awg : 28awg
Microcoils builds have a diameter less than 2mm
Nanocoils builds less than 1mm and nanocoils are less than that

The thinner the wire, the less wraps/turns one would need to get a similar result.

Example
12 wraps of .25 around a 2mm bit would give a resistance of 1.34
8 wraps of .20 around a 2mm bit would give a resistance of 1.41.

This would also depends on the awg of a wire

AWG = American gauge wire.

The lower the AWG, the thicker the conductor
The thicker the wire, the lower the AWG, and the lower the resistance per unit of length.

I think!

[fiddles]

Apr 30, 2014 11:02:15 GMT lairey said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:56:00 GMT fiddles said:

From Videos I have watched a nano coil is wrapped around something like a pin shaft & cotton wool is packed against coil not through coil as in micro coil

Thanks fiddles... am assuming then that they would benefit sub ohmers then as resistance would be much lower?

Yes lower resistances but also longer coils (sitting on bed of cotton woo)l so more surface area, so in theory bigger clouds

Edit

lairey I just remembered I had dripper with dual nano coils (wrapped around pin shaft ) 0.6 ohms

here is a couple of pics

[lairey]

Apr 30, 2014 11:15:28 GMT fiddles said:

Apr 30, 2014 11:02:15 GMT lairey said:

Thanks fiddles... am assuming then that they would benefit sub ohmers then as resistance would be much lower?

Yes lower resistances but also longer coils (sitting on bed of cotton woo)l so more surface area, so in theory bigger clouds

Edit

lairey I just remembered I had dripper with dual nano coils (wrapped around pin shaft ) 0.6 ohms

here is a couple of pics

They look amazing fiddles.  Although I'm more than happy with the clouds I get from my micro coils...  still haven't had a stab at dual micro coils yet, think the nanos are way away in the distant future, if at all, for me

[Deleted]

A micro coil has an internal dia of between 1.4 - 1.6mm. less than that is a nano, more a Macro.

Did I just make that up? Of course not, it's a universal standard

When talking about micro coils, it's assumed that a micro coil has all the windings touching, but whether they are or not, it's the internal dia that determines what it's called.
So you could have a standard nano, micro or macro coil with gaps between the windings. And if the coils a touching it's a contact nano, micro or macro coil. That's not a unversally accepted standard though

Bottom line is that micro coils (squashed together windings ) seem to be more efficient

[nem]

Apr 30, 2014 11:15:28 GMT fiddles said:

Apr 30, 2014 11:02:15 GMT lairey said:

Thanks fiddles... am assuming then that they would benefit sub ohmers then as resistance would be much lower?

Yes lower resistances but also longer coils (sitting on bed of cotton woo)l so more surface area, so in theory bigger clouds

Edit

lairey I just remembered I had dripper with dual nano coils (wrapped around pin shaft ) 0.6 ohms

here is a couple of pics

They never look nice close-up - vaping however different story.....

[lairey]

Thanks again guys for my education du jour!

And @spikeyfridge for the derail

[Phoenix .]

So, can most clearomiser heads be micro'coiled, I use Protanks and Evods mainly. I know Aspires can't be recoiled but what about the iclear 16b?

[Deleted]

I'm still none the wiser! I shall have a crack at proper coiling soon and see what disasters I can make.
On a side note, the valkeyrie is pretty easy to coil but I had mega help from Steve and t
Taz

[300]

I do use micro coils but a low ohm coil wrapped on silica adds a little harshness that enhances some flavours for me, so for me at least, they're not better, just another option.

[Bob]

AWG is just the size (thickness) of the wire, over here we tend to use mm rather than AWG if you look here you will see that 34 AWG is the closest to our .20mm, it is really best to forget AWG as it just confuses the issue, unless you are talking to someone from the Americas.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 14:22:15 GMT Phoenix . said:

So, can most clearomiser heads be micro'coiled, I use Protanks and Evods mainly. I know Aspires can't be recoiled but what about the iclear 16b?

Both my Aspire Nautilus's are running single microcoils and cotton  ...  beats the stock heads hands down 

[boyofford]

I thought a micro coil just had almost no space between wire? i.e. not diameter of coil, lack of gaps in coil?

EDIT: ignore what I just said