Making a Concentrate v Direct Mixing

[Perpetua]

I'm intrigued by this concept so thought I'd see who does . . . Clivia has I know, Mrsmac is wanting to.

What do you see/find are the advantages to this? If it's a tried and tested recipe to your tastes presumably it saves some mixing faff, but if it's something you're concocting yourself how do you know if the balance is right, could it not be more wasteful than just making up a trial sample first?

I'm curious to know the pro's and cons from those who do.

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Could you explain in numpty terms what you are on about Perpetua ???

[Super-Shiny]

Think Perpetua is talking about putting the required concentrates into a bottle to make that concentrate for future use as opposed to just putting the concentrates into the pg/vg etc as and when mixing.

I maybe wrong though, but if it is i for the hell of me cannot see how mixing a concentrate would have any more benefits then direct mixing....imo it may take longer.

[Perpetua]

May 1, 2014 6:37:46 GMT @yinyang said:

Could you explain in numpty terms what you are on about Perpetua ???

Making a concentrate - as Tjuice do with theirs, shoving all the flavours in a bottle, then adding to nicotine base/PG/VG.

Direct Mixing - shoving all the flavours directly into your base/PG/VG, individually.

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May 1, 2014 6:45:17 GMT Perpetua said:

May 1, 2014 6:37:46 GMT @yinyang said:

Could you explain in numpty terms what you are on about Perpetua ???

Making a concentrate - as Tjuice do with theirs, shoving all the flavours in a bottle, then adding to nicotine base/PG/VG.

Direct Mixing - shoving all the flavours directly into your base/PG/VG, individually.

Ah, igetya as Scott would say ...  can't see the point really unless it is a rainy day and you are at a loss for something to do 

[Super-Shiny]

The only thing i can think of if it is going to be a concentrate that is a ADV and is used very often.

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May 1, 2014 6:51:15 GMT Super-Shiny said:

The only thing i can think of if it is going to be a concentrate that is a ADV and is used very often.

Even then it ain't going to save you any time in the long run. The only advantage that I can think of (a bit too early for any serious thinking) would be if the flavours infuse better if mixed and sort of "steeped" for a while before being added to the base,PG and VG

[Perpetua]

May 1, 2014 6:50:48 GMT @yinyang said:

May 1, 2014 6:45:17 GMT Perpetua said:

Making a concentrate - as Tjuice do with theirs, shoving all the flavours in a bottle, then adding to nicotine base/PG/VG.

Direct Mixing - shoving all the flavours directly into your base/PG/VG, individually.

Ah, igetya as Scott would say ...  can't see the point really unless it is a rainy day and you are at a loss for something to do 

That's my thinking precisely, which is why I'm curious as to why mixers do or would want to . . . perhaps there are advantages that I've missed. ???

May 1, 2014 6:57:34 GMT @yinyang said:

May 1, 2014 6:51:15 GMT Super-Shiny said:

The only thing i can think of if it is going to be a concentrate that is a ADV and is used very often.

Even then it ain't going to save you any time in the long run. The only advantage that I can think of (a bit too early for any serious thinking) would be if the flavours infuse better if mixed and sort of "steeped" for a while before being added to the base,PG and VG

That had occurred to me, but as Tjuices Colonel Custard has proved, some flavours there aren't any shortcuts really.

[Mrsmac]

The reason I was thinking of mixing concentrates is for the life of me, I seem to be making so many errors with mixing eg starting off with the wrong base, so to try and keep it fool proof and save the amount of bottles out at any given time, I thought why not mix up a batch of concentrate.

I initially thought that most people mix at say 20% flavour and the rest base, so thought that would be a good starting point until I saw some recipies stating up to 40%. So I thought, well if I have a mix of base ready, all I need to do is to add 20% flavour and that is it.

Unfortunately, I am no where near that level of mixing yet and the other half is wanting me to mix up a flavour and I have no clue how to measure the individual flavours say in a sample mix as all the droppers are different.

So there are my rather long winded reasons

[Super-Shiny]

Even if it was a ADV you could always just make up a extra large mix of it...i.e with pg/vg etc and put it in the fridge for long term storage with another bottle out of the fridge that can be topped up as and when needed.

So i am back to square one, cannot see any advantages

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Not quite the same thing but:

I would occasionally mix "burginia" ... a combination of burley and virginia tobaccos. I originally just added both flavours to my base/pg/vg but found, after a bit of experimentation, that I got more flavour by making two separate mixes, one of burley/base/pg/vg and one of virginia/base/pg/vg and letting each mix steep separately before combining the two mixes and letting that steep for a further period ... I haven't a clue why this method gives a better end result but to my taste buds it does.

[Perpetua]

May 1, 2014 7:09:04 GMT Mrsmac said:

 I have no clue how to measure the individual flavours say in a sample mix as all the droppers are different.

Use a syringe Mrsmac, although for anything under 1ml of flavour I do use drops and work on 30 drops to 1ml. To measure your drops accurately if your droppers are different sizes, count out with plain PG the number of drops it takes to get to 1ml into a small measuring cup.

Though a drop or two either way isn't going to make any significant difference to your end mixed result. We don't mix professionally and unless you have rampant OCD, then it's not life threatening to be accurate to the inth degree.

Keep the whole process as simple and fun as possible is my way of thinking.

[Phoenix .]

May 1, 2014 6:44:52 GMT Super-Shiny said:

Think Perpetua is talking about putting the required concentrates into a bottle to make that concentrate for future use as opposed to just putting the concentrates into the pg/vg etc as and when mixing.

I maybe wrong though, but if it is i for the hell of me cannot see how mixing a concentrate would have any more benefits then direct mixing....imo it may take longer.

I had a go at this method in my last batch mixing, it took me longer to do than the usual method.

[Di]

Perpetua I have a bottle of pre-mixed concentrate for Rom's Rhubarb & Custard recipe that I've made up and the specific nic base (@12mg) to take the 36.5% flavouring. I wanted to see if pre-steeping the concentrates together made a difference to taste, (before nicotine came into the equation), and steeping times.  ??? 

 

 

[uvm78]

I think I understand what you are suggesting. Say I have 3 flavours I wish to have in a mix and add them all into a mix together and let them steep together the result you are after is not quite what you wanted. But if you make up three seperate mixes of the three flavours let them individually steep until they are ready and then combine the three flavours.

Each flavour has had time to develop on its own without any influence from another.
Sound method and something I haven't tried before. And I'm going to give it a go. Will take a while to be able to report back any results.