Information about EU legislation

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so is it to late to start stocking up now?

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i think i'd rather stop breathing than go back to the stinkies , or have to go through giving up again
i hope some of you are just defensive of your vaping and maybe overblowing it a little bit , i hope that
to be the case . I mean all we have are interpretations of fairly vague criteria . Also , why would it be in big tobacco's
interest to make an inferior product? surely they have the money and resources to produce good products , that work better
get more people addicted and don't have the negative health effects. I suppose we have 2 years left. I don't know, if it all does turn to shit then maybe after 2 years of not smoking i may have enough distance from them to step away from the whole thing completely , instead of just going crawling back

[halight]

May 3, 2014 20:59:14 GMT @alopezg1 said:

i think i'd rather stop breathing than go back to the stinkies , or have to go through giving up again
i hope some of you are just defensive of your vaping and maybe overblowing it a little bit , i hope that
to be the case . I mean all we have are interpretations of fairly vague criteria . Also , why would it be in big tobacco's
interest to make an inferior product? surely they have the money and resources to produce good products , that work better
get more people addicted and don't have the negative health effects. I suppose we have 2 years left. I don't know, if it all does turn to shit then maybe after 2 years of not smoking i may have enough distance from them to step away from the whole thing completely , instead of just going crawling back

BAT are the makers of a cig a like called vile. There are a few big brand shops that sell it o.e of which is Lloyds pharmacies. The project was rushed out onto the market. And it's carp. With all there money you would think that they could get a product if not the best then not far off. They have the worse. I can only think of two things. 1 it was a bad mistake and people have since been sacked over it. 2 they hope people will buy it. Try it and t when go straight back on the stinkys. They have even had a TV add out for it. 
Cig-a-likes meet if not all then most of the new European regs. So it's not them that will get banned. But cig-a-likes just don't  it the mustard with most people. 

[Perpetua]

May 3, 2014 20:51:22 GMT @alopezg1 said:

so is it to late to start stocking up now?

No.

If you are that concerned, then mixing/DIY is the next stage to ensuring you have a back up plan @alopezg1.

[csmith10]

Unless I'm missing something the legislation doesn't look too bad, they are not talking about banning refillable tanks just making sure they are child proof, don't leak or spill when filled and that juice bottles are child proof too. Juices will be limited to 10ml with a maximum of 20mg nic. Most of the other regs are about labelling which is understandable.
I can't see any regs that condem vaping to the annuls of history but I suspect our pass time will become a touch more expensive in the future.

[toots]

Tanks are not child-proof, you can open them up to fill them, so a child can also open them up if they get hold of one, therefore they are not tamper-proof which is what the EU regulations are insisting on. So regardless of size according to the regulations they will in effect be illegal.

[csmith10]

At the moment yes, but really, how hard would it be to engineer a tank that's child proof? Applying a simple locking mechanism too a tank wouldn't be that difficult and considering the amount of money companies like kanger are making do you think they are just going to lay down and die?

[toots]

Forgot about the other part of your post csmith10 - 10ml x 20mg strength juice only allowed, well that's ok for those already vaping and at lower strengths than 20mg, but what about all the hardened smokers out there who want to switch to e-cigs and find 20mg not strong enough? There have been many people starting out on 24mg and 36mg and these people would never have been able to switch without the higher strength to start with. Invariably they do lower their nic strength over time but what will happen to people who just can't hack it at 20mg, they will revert straight back to analogues.

Also we are not sure what is going to happen with nic base strength. A lot of us now mix our own juice and we use anything up to 75mg nic base in order to mix our own by diluting that strength down to whatever mg's we use. Will that also be banned? We don't know, but we're not taking the chance so a lot of us are stocking up with high strength nic base and freezing it.

[csmith10]

Obviously the document doesn't mention this point so I can only safely comment on what does come under the proposed regulations. Like I said, I don't believe this legislation signals the end of vaping, it will probably make certain aspects more difficult, particularly for the more hardcore vapers but we are an ingenuitive species and we'll always find ways to get what we want!

[toots]

Most of us that are vapers now will more than likely be fine, we know the score and we know what we have to do in order to keep vaping as we are now, it's current smokers/new/future vapers that could struggle with these new EU regulations having come into force, or vapers that just poodle along with a simple set-up who have no idea as to what will change in the future and do not set themselves up with knowledge, equipment, rebuildables, nic base etc etc. It is those people I feel sorry for.

All of us have gained experience from a forum such as this by listening and learning techniques from others such as rebuilding coils, mixing juice etc etc etc so of course we will be fine. I for one would never have mixed my own juice if it had not been for this forum, would never have attempted to rebuild a coil (still learning on that score though), would never have bought mods, wouldn't have known anything about such things. We're not even sure if forums such as this will even be allowed to operate - something in the EU regs may even put an end to forums like this, maybe someone else can put forward the specific ruling that may interfere with our forums as I can't remember now which clause it was that may affect us on that score.

[csmith10]

I'm curious to know how they could ban forums on the subject!

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May 4, 2014 6:30:04 GMT Perpetua said:

May 3, 2014 20:51:22 GMT @alopezg1 said:

so is it to late to start stocking up now?

No.

If you are that concerned, then mixing/DIY is the next stage to ensuring you have a back up plan @alopezg1.

Perpetua do you mean mixing as in nicotine base with a flavour . I do this at the moment with some 36mg liquid and flavouring half and half
which is apparently a lot but seems ok to me. I wll start trying to build my own coils but surely , one can only do this for so long , i mean 
you would need to replace the atomisers after a time wouldn't you ? I don't really know how it all works properly yet so i will have to sort that out


I suppose you could look at the legislation and say , well maybe it's a poorly educated and overly careful attempt to remove as much risk from the practice
that needs to changed ; or the more sinister possibility that is an attempt to kill off vaping completely by making only ineffective products available to people
and forcing them back onto cigarettes , which the EU tacitly supports because of the revenue that member states recieve from both tobacco and pharmcuetical companies
and also it is cheaper to let people die earlier. I mean imagine if all the smokers who smoke now were to switch and possibly as a result extend their lifespans
would that be of benefit to the health care systems , having less cancer and cardio pulmanery diseases to treat.... or would it actually cost more to have people living into older age
- who would also be recieving pensions as well-  

I just came back from living in New zealnad for nearly a year and they have a plan to criminalise tobacco , to make it illegal by 2025. That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen 
if you ask me , but at least it seems likee the actions of a government who actually have the health of public as a a oncern they place higher than revenue from tobacco companies
Also in New Zealand it is illegal to sell nicotine containing liquid , so vapers over there import their nicotine from America and are allowed up to 3 months worth with each order . Sounds like 
like a pain , and it is sort of, but there are still people plenty of  vaping there , so i think perhaps it is not as black and white as some say .... that vaping will become obsolete.... i hope not

[Perpetua]

May 4, 2014 18:46:11 GMT @alopezg1 said:

May 4, 2014 6:30:04 GMT Perpetua said:

No.

If you are that concerned, then mixing/DIY is the next stage to ensuring you have a back up plan @alopezg1.

Perpetua do you mean mixing as in nicotine base with a flavour . I do this at the moment with some 36mg liquid and flavouring half and half
which is apparently a lot but seems ok to me. I wll start trying to build my own coils but surely , one can only do this for so long , i mean 
you would need to replace the atomisers after a time wouldn't you ? I don't really know how it all works properly yet so i will have to sort that out

I do, it sounds like you've got that back up plan already in hand . . . keeping some Nicotine Base in your freezer, which is thought to last indefinitely stored in glass bottles, could be the next stage.

Buy a few inexpensive rebuildable atomisers from somewhere like Fasttech, learn how to coil them. Wick and wire are hardly likely to be affected by legislation . . . and you've another fall back there.

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thank you perpetua. Can I buy these affordable atomisers to fit my iclear 16's ? I think I will head over to the shop in cambourne in the next few days.

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May 3, 2014 20:51:22 GMT @alopezg1 said:

so is it to late to start stocking up now?

Best option is a mech mod. as it may be repaired long term by some, or friends will be able to help others, they may also be made DIY if aesthetics becomes of far less interest than usability is.
Unsure which atomizers to suggest, when I look on FT many seem to have way too many parts to them, more parts = more potential faults and repairs. You need minimal parts and simple useable design.
Atomizers with fragile and easily breakable materials such as glass or plastics would be best not used for long term use in a theoretical list should this law become likely to be passed.