rebuildable atty ? is it worth the hassle ?

[Perpetua]

Learning how to make a working coil has been purely part of my personal Apocalypse plan Cousin Itt . . . if everything went botty up, then I can still vape. Though I'll be the first to admit, that making something that works is satisfying.

I'm perfectly happy with the vape I get from stock coils, they work as I want them to and I enjoy my vapes using them. For me they're a faff I don't have to do if I don't want to.

But then I enjoy DIY, which other folks find faffy. It's what works for you and you enjoy, which you don't know until you try.

It's worth a go to find out.

[hijack]

csmith10 The wick on the KF atties is the main thing that needs some practice to get right. When you have threaded it through the coil and screwed the sleeve on, cut the wicks about 3mm above the sleeve, then blow on the ends till they really fluff up. then tuck them down the side onto the deck, and of coarse soak with juice. I don't know how this differs with the mini as it is a tall atty and that method might leave the wicks too long? But getting the ends of the cotton really fluffy helps to soak up the juice. With a good wick you can vape at13-15 watts, and that is when youll notice the difference over the aerotank.

[Greg]

Jun 21, 2014 19:39:42 GMT csmith10 said:

I got a kayfun mini clone last night and I'm struggling to get it set up properly, using a micro coil and cotton wick. When it does wick properly I can't really tell the difference between it and my aero tank which is also built with a mirco coil and cotton. The aero tank was very easy to recoil and get vaping like a champ! This mini clone is a different kettle of fish though!

With kayfuns you really need to learn the back of wicking it correctly with cotton wool and it took me ages. You can watch as many videos as you like but it's very difficult to quantify and replicate the amount of CW from a video and it's density. If you cant tell the difference between a kayfun and an aerotank then you've yet to wick your kayfun correctly. Just keep trying different wick sizes and when you get it right you'll know.

by the way it took some months of faffing to see the difference, I think I've nearly cracked it 

Keep at it and youll get there 

[Greg]

Jun 21, 2014 20:05:15 GMT hijack said:

csmith10 The wick on the KF atties is the main thing that needs some practice to get right. When you have threaded it through the coil and screwed the sleeve on, cut the wicks about 3mm above the sleeve, then blow on the ends till they really fluff up. then tuck them down the side onto the deck, and of coarse soak with juice. I don't know how this differs with the mini as it is a tall atty and that method might leave the wicks too long? But getting the ends of the cotton really fluffy helps to soak up the juice. With a good wick you can vape at13-15 watts, and that is when youll notice the difference over the aerotank.

There's a video with an Asian guy showing this method on YouTube, uses much more cotton then I'd used before and works great 

[hijack]

Jun 21, 2014 20:11:24 GMT Greg said:

Jun 21, 2014 20:05:15 GMT hijack said:

csmith10 The wick on the KF atties is the main thing that needs some practice to get right. When you have threaded it through the coil and screwed the sleeve on, cut the wicks about 3mm above the sleeve, then blow on the ends till they really fluff up. then tuck them down the side onto the deck, and of coarse soak with juice. I don't know how this differs with the mini as it is a tall atty and that method might leave the wicks too long? But getting the ends of the cotton really fluffy helps to soak up the juice. With a good wick you can vape at13-15 watts, and that is when youll notice the difference over the aerotank.

There's a video with an Asian guy showing this method on YouTube, uses much more cotton then I'd used before and works great 

That's the same method I was tying to describe above, it worked great for me, and your right more cotton and make the ends really fluffy. I should add these vids to my fav's so I can pass them on, its on another kayfun thread somewhere in here.

[csmith10]

Jun 21, 2014 20:21:09 GMT hijack said:

Jun 21, 2014 20:11:24 GMT Greg said:

There's a video with an Asian guy showing this method on YouTube, uses much more cotton then I'd used before and works great 

That's the same method I was tying to describe above, it worked great for me, and your right more cotton and make the ends really fluffy. I should add these vids to my fav's so I can pass them on, its on another kayfun thread somewhere in here.

When you say more cotton do you mean length or density? At the moment I'm Folding the cotton down from the coil and trimming it so its level with the deck. Regarding density I'm using just enough cotton so it pulls though the coil with little resistance. I'm currently vaping on a spinner II and can't get above 3.8v without a burnt taste using a 1.9ohm coil. My aero tank is 1.7ohm and happily vapes at 4.8v and I think it could handle more TBH.

[csmith10]

Oh and I can't get the damn thing filled without it bloody leaking though the air hole!

[Greg]

Jun 21, 2014 20:43:16 GMT csmith10 said:

Jun 21, 2014 20:21:09 GMT hijack said:

That's the same method I was tying to describe above, it worked great for me, and your right more cotton and make the ends really fluffy. I should add these vids to my fav's so I can pass them on, its on another kayfun thread somewhere in here.

When you say more cotton do you mean length or density? At the moment I'm Folding the cotton down from the coil and trimming it so its level with the deck. Regarding density I'm using just enough cotton so it pulls though the coil with little resistance. I'm currently vaping on a spinner II and can't get above 3.8v without a burnt taste using a 1.9ohm coil. My aero tank is 1.7ohm and happily vapes at 4.8v and I think it could handle more TBH.

I'd say you need more cotton, I have it so I have to twist the cotton to pull it through the coil and then it's quite tight to pull gently back and forth through the coil without twisting. For length leave it long then fit the bigger part of the chimney with wick ends poking out the top, trim wicks 3mm longer than top of the bigger chimney section then use a small screwdriver to gently push each wick down to the juice channels.

not sure why it's leaking, don't overfill it leave a good air bubble or it will leak . Make sure all sections are tightly screwed together and make sure the tiny internal oring that seals the top of the tiny chimney to the top cap is fitted. I assume your filling from the bottom fill screw ?

i normally use a 1.9 ohm microcoil at 5 volts so roughly 13 watts with no hint of a burnt taste 

[csmith10]

I'm having to fill from the top as the fill screw doesn't work!

[hijack]

csmith10 Here it is the video.

Like I say I don't have the mini do you hold it upside down when filling? as the juice coming out the airhole would suggest its flooding when you fill it.

[Greg]

One other thing, I don't have the mini but with a kayfun lite I have the airflow fully open, closing the airflow can cause burnt taste in my experience if you don't have enough airflow

[hijack]

Jun 21, 2014 20:59:58 GMT csmith10 said:

I'm having to fill from the top as the fill screw doesn't work!

That's why its leaking the whole thing relies on the vacuum effect to stop it flooding and when the top is off you have no vacuum. The only thing you can do is hold your finger over the hole till the top is screwed back on. 

[Greg]

Jun 21, 2014 20:59:58 GMT csmith10 said:

I'm having to fill from the top as the fill screw doesn't work!

I've never filled from the top but I believe there's a knack to doing it that way. Once you have the top cap off place your finger over the air hole and keep it there. Fill with juice leaving air space. Refit the top cap but just catch a couple of threads, don't screw it down. Now turn upside down whilst removing finger from air hole and fully screwing top cap home.

give that a whirl 

[djs]

Jun 21, 2014 19:10:54 GMT Cousin Itt said:

Sounds a bit like extra faffing to me but it all looks easy enough so is it really worth the extra effort over a kanger dual coil tank ?? What would I gain by going rebuildable ?

I would say, YES! it's worth it. It's also a useful skill in the event of larger clearomisers being outlawed, but not liquid.

I was spending way too much on coils/heads in all honesty. The rebuilding I do on both Kangers and Kayfuns is worth it even from a money point of view. I just run too many tanks, and £6 a week on heads is £6 less for liquids.

I have recreated the same taste on a mini Protank as my Kayfun (more or less) but not the vapour. It took me a long time to take the plunge, but I'm glad I did. I don't use them everyday, but they are quite brilliant.

[blakey]

The only stock coil China attie that I have found that gives a vape somewhere near as good as a decent rebuildable without modification is the aspire nautilus.
For me, rebuildables are more than worth the little FAFF involved.