Advice - Orchid v4 setup

[Resnik]

Nov 27, 2014 0:22:26 GMT VapingBad said:

Coil calc (with dual 0.4 2.5 mm coils input) link
E: I put target r at 1 ohm, needs 16 turns for each coil, have a play Andy changing the diameter and the thickness os wire.
tag chykensa

That would be a wicked coil. Would take a bit to heat up, but once it's there, Da clouds man.

[chykensa]

Oh my Lord, 16 turns - that's more like an electric bar fire than a vaping coil
Thanks for the links VapingBad, I'll have a look at the weekend when I have a bit more time.
Talking to Chrissie, I think your speculation about the Super-Shiny is just about right. Rather petty and selfish to take his excellent guides with him though

[VapingBad]

Nov 27, 2014 7:18:32 GMT chykensa said:

Oh my Lord, 16 turns - that's more like an electric bar fire than a vaping coil
Thanks for the links VapingBad, I'll have a look at the weekend when I have a bit more time.
Talking to Chrissie, I think your speculation about the Super-Shiny is just about right. Rather petty and selfish to take his excellent guides with him though

Have a play, drop the wire diameter and/or increase the coil diameter IIRC Resnik has fitted 3 mm coils in though it looks very tight on space.

[jeffc]

Tom I`m new to the dual coil atty`s still waiting for delivery of my Orchid V4.

If I made a coil 0.32 with 8 wraps =(1.8 - 2) on 3mm drill bit, set up on atty to check resistance. Confirmed res, then made up another coil as per first one, fit and check resistance (should be around 0.9 - 1.0).

Am I OK to use this method until I become more experienced, or do you suggest another ?

Thanks.

Jeff.

[Tom]

Nov 27, 2014 15:01:13 GMT jeffc said:

Tom I`m new to the dual coil atty`s still waiting for delivery of my Orchid V4.

If I made a coil 0.32 with 8 wraps =(1.8 - 2) on 3mm drill bit, set up on atty to check resistance. Confirmed res, then made up another coil as per first one, fit and check resistance (should be around 0.9 - 1.0).

Am I OK to use this method until I become more experienced, or do you suggest another ?

Thanks.

Jeff.

Ive never wrapped one coil then done the other.

Your numbers look good www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp?awg=28&id=3

If you find that easier than putting both on then I say go for it. Just be careful not to wreck your first coil, I have always found it easier to kind of manipulate them both in at the same time if you know what I mean, let us know how you get on

[lairey]

Nov 27, 2014 15:01:13 GMT jeffc said:

Tom I`m new to the dual coil atty`s still waiting for delivery of my Orchid V4.

If I made a coil 0.32 with 8 wraps =(1.8 - 2) on 3mm drill bit, set up on atty to check resistance. Confirmed res, then made up another coil as per first one, fit and check resistance (should be around 0.9 - 1.0).

Am I OK to use this method until I become more experienced, or do you suggest another ?

Thanks.

Jeff.

That's how I did my first couple of dual coils jeffc... now I know roughly what the ohms will be, I do them both then fit them before checking.  It's a little less fiddly that way, but as the Orchid has 4 posts it doesn't make that much difference either way 

[Tom]

Nov 27, 2014 16:31:42 GMT lairey said:

Nov 27, 2014 15:01:13 GMT jeffc said:

Tom I`m new to the dual coil atty`s still waiting for delivery of my Orchid V4.

If I made a coil 0.32 with 8 wraps =(1.8 - 2) on 3mm drill bit, set up on atty to check resistance. Confirmed res, then made up another coil as per first one, fit and check resistance (should be around 0.9 - 1.0).

Am I OK to use this method until I become more experienced, or do you suggest another ?

Thanks.

Jeff.

That's how I did my first couple of dual coils jeffc... now I know roughly what the ohms will be, I do them both then fit them before checking.  It's a little less fiddly that way, but as the Orchid has 4 posts it doesn't make that much difference either way 

The only problem I can see is that when one coil is fully in, it might be right in your way of getting the other through (assuming you're using holes 1&3, 2&4), if its too hard to do, just tease them both in together at the same time

I think putting the bends on the coils already (like Resnik) also makes things easier.

Good luck!

[VapingBad]

Nov 27, 2014 15:01:13 GMT jeffc said:

Tom I`m new to the dual coil atty`s still waiting for delivery of my Orchid V4.

If I made a coil 0.32 with 8 wraps =(1.8 - 2) on 3mm drill bit, set up on atty to check resistance. Confirmed res, then made up another coil as per first one, fit and check resistance (should be around 0.9 - 1.0).

Am I OK to use this method until I become more experienced, or do you suggest another ?

Thanks.

Jeff.

That should be fine Jeff and its the way I generally do it, as long as you get them glowing at the same rate (without wicks in) they are well enough balanced.

[jeffc]

Thanks to you all for your replies. I now await the delivery, and a NEW exciting vaping experience or watch this space for an Orchid V4 (clone)for sale.

[yourgurnard]

Glad to See This Thread........My V4 Comin' From FT, + My 1st Mech. (Neme Clone..). Will Doubtless Be Refer-ing Back Here!

[chykensa]

I must apologise because I can't remember who recommended this technique, but it involves making one leg of the coil MUCH longer than the other. Install and screw down the first coil (when you have the best access to the posts and tails). Trim away the excess - you have one coil in place.
Now take the second coil with the long leg, and bend a 90 degree into the long tail. Insert this tail and grab the end of the 90 degree bend with tweezers or similar, and pull through before feeding the second shorter coil through the post.
This is how I do mine, and it works a treat. The bend enables you to get the long tail through the middle post and away before the shorter coil (fed through to empty outer post).
Hope that makes sense - if I was a) any good at recoiling and b) had a decent camera, I would post a guide, but I am neither

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Nov 27, 2014 17:31:57 GMT yourgurnard said:

Glad to See This Thread........My V4 Comin' From FT, + My 1st Mech. (Neme Clone..). Will Doubtless Be Refer-ing Back Here!

Straight in deep end there...  

love my FT nemisis, my first mech also...now have matching copper and brass. 

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My orchird likes to tricke juice from the air holes now and then, think I need to look at that raise the air hole trick the resident expert (aka vaping bad) showed me somewhere here....

[VapingBad]

A DNA40 Ni200 build:
8 wraps of twisted 0.16 mm (34 AWG) Ni200 around a 2.5 mm former 0.11 ? with Japanese cotton wicks. It is a little tricky as the wire is so thin it would be easy to shear it by overtightening the terminals and I had to open it to tighten them because the resistance shot up to 0.21 ? causing the temp limit to kick in too early.

[chykensa]

I know this confirms the fact that I am a numpty of the first order, but it suddenly occurred to me that when building a dual coil atty, not just the Orchid, if I leave good long tails on both coils and get them through the holes, then go about the business of positioning, nipping them and trimming the tails, it will get rid of all the problems I've been having with getting that second coil's tails through and out without damaging the first coil. Or am I missing something really really obvious!!!? (And nothing would surprise me!).