DNA40 - Temp Control - Nickel Builds

[decoy]

sorry @scooby hanent got any ni 200 yet gerrrrrrr
but will be having a play as soon as it comes and ill let you know what ohms i get on what claptons(was a lot of messin around getting the nanthot ones to the right ohms)
can you not get the wire wrapped around touching its self or is that as tight as ni200 will go

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Ha no real difference with kanthal and ni200 when twisting and wrapping decoy

I could hardly see it and thought it was touching when I was wrapping it, only saw the gap when I looked at it with a loupe and photographed it. Will try harder next time

Making a coil now.

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decoy I've made a 3mm dia clapton coil 8/9 wraps with the wire in the in the pic, 0.25mm wrapped with 0.20mm it's come out at 0.16 ohms, it drops a point or two in use so happy with that.

Made the mistake of filling it with a mix I've not done before and I don't like it, so can't tell how it's performing flavour wise.

[decoy]

Apr 21, 2015 21:34:02 GMT @scooby said:

decoy I've made a 3mm dia clapton coil 8/9 wraps with the wire in the in the pic, 0.25mm wrapped with 0.20mm it's come out at 0.16 ohms, it drops a point or two in use so happy with that.

Made the mistake of filling it with a mix I've not done before and I don't like it, so can't tell how it's performing flavour wise.

lol if you dont like it then the clapton isnt going to help
but thats just my opinion
i think the main reason why more peps dont use them is the heat up time with kanthal but this ni200 should heat up better
got about 40 meters of wire coming from vapemesh and a few attys ready to play with
erl for sensible coils
subtank for decent clouds but i dont think i likes the rebuildable deck it restricts the air flow (can see a dremel coming in to play) 
and the doge v2 as well as the plumevale for being stupid

juice wise i only really vape one juice but since the wife started we have been trying the vamp vape range some good some bloody awful(dont you love it when your misses nics your full stealth backup setup )

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Only vape baccy normally decoy but thought I'd try a custard since I haven't touched one for a year or two, not changed my opinion and I don't think any coil could save it. feeling very sick now.

The pe heat is the best thing about these devices, it'll get any coil up to temp quickly. The disadvantage I feel is that you're limited range of coils you can build because of the very narrow resistance range. Nickel can also be very fragile, it's easy to deform when threading wicks through for example. Good luck with your coils when you get the wire.

No problem with my wife, she's never smoked and so doesn't vape and shakes her head when she sees me building coils surrounded with all my vaping Paraphernalia. She does like telling her mates that I've made my own 'vaping stick' though

[decoy]

ok managed to get some ni200 and what a faff
20000 coils later and ive sorta got the hang of it
currently rocking a .2 tempered wrapped round a .2 hard drawn 5 wrap clapton at .15 in the sub tank
kinda strange vape as its more of a solid mist instead of rolling clouds you get with kanthal same amount just finer
whats the max temp you guys set tc to (currently at 430)

[VapingBad]

Max temp for me between 380 & 410, but that's 100% PG which has a lower boiling point than VG. Maybe another wrap will give you more vapour. Gotta admire your style going straight in with a Clapton coil, but if I were you would just do a simple coil in a dripper the see if the Clapton affect the temp sensing, it shouldn't but you never know.

[decoy]

May 4, 2015 9:51:47 GMT VapingBad said:

Max temp for me between 380 & 410, but that's 100% PG which has a lower boiling point than VG. Maybe another wrap will give you more vapour. Gotta admire your style going straight in with a Clapton coil, but if I were you would just do a simple coil in a dripper the see if the Clapton affect the temp sensing, it shouldn't but you never know.

oh ive played with the dripper and diff thicknesses of wire and its nowt like kanthal but i just have a love affair with claptons
i defo get more vapor and flavor with claptons just that the vapor seems finer and more uniform with ni200 if that makes sense


 

have noticed that the ni200 gets up to a working temp  ruddy quick compared to kanthal
i will get there just not sure im there yet and it dont help im new to subtanks

[Bob]

With Kanthal thinner wire is usually better, but I'm finding with Nickel thicker appears to be better, was trying to build a coil for the KF4 yesterday and as it was going on a SX Mini thought I would aim for 0.08 - tried 32g and even at 3/2 wraps 2mm dia, just couldn't get it low enough, kept coming out between 0.14 and 0.19

So went to the other extreme 26g and managed to do 13/12 wraps to get exactly 0.1 ohm - amazed at how quick it heats up and have had to drop both the temp and joules because it was too hot than normal, now vaping 400°F @ 20J instead of the 450°F @ 50J with my KFL+ (0.19 build) and Subtank (0.12 prebuilt OCC)

[letsavit]

May 4, 2015 15:18:36 GMT Bob said:

With Kanthal thinner wire is usually better, but I'm finding with Nickel thicker appears to be better, was trying to build a coil for the KF4 yesterday and as it was going on a SX Mini thought I would aim for 0.08 - tried 32g and even at 3/2 wraps 2mm dia, just couldn't get it low enough, kept coming out between 0.14 and 0.19

So went to the other extreme 26g and managed to do 13/12 wraps to get exactly 0.1 ohm - amazed at how quick it heats up and have had to drop both the temp and joules because it was too hot than normal, now vaping 400°F @ 20J instead of the 450°F @ 50J with my KFL+ (0.19 build) and Subtank (0.12 prebuilt OCC)

Why do you need to drop the joules with that chip if it's too hot.... I'm missing something here or the temp side of this chip does not work?

decoy straight in there with them coils mate, I vape around 430f.

[decoy]

think im getting there lol

[Bob]

May 4, 2015 15:22:50 GMT letsavit said:

May 4, 2015 15:18:36 GMT Bob said:

With Kanthal thinner wire is usually better, but I'm finding with Nickel thicker appears to be better, was trying to build a coil for the KF4 yesterday and as it was going on a SX Mini thought I would aim for 0.08 - tried 32g and even at 3/2 wraps 2mm dia, just couldn't get it low enough, kept coming out between 0.14 and 0.19

So went to the other extreme 26g and managed to do 13/12 wraps to get exactly 0.1 ohm - amazed at how quick it heats up and have had to drop both the temp and joules because it was too hot than normal, now vaping 400°F @ 20J instead of the 450°F @ 50J with my KFL+ (0.19 build) and Subtank (0.12 prebuilt OCC)

Why do you need to drop the joules with that chip if it's too hot.... I'm missing something here or the temp side of this chip does not work?

decoy straight in there with them coils mate, I vape around 430f.

I don't know but even at 212°F the minimum it is too hot at 50J so I think the Joules has more to do with it than the temp as at 20J it doesn't appear to go above 140°F, think it is the different way the YiHi chip works

[VapingBad]

May 4, 2015 17:45:47 GMT Bob said:

May 4, 2015 15:22:50 GMT letsavit said:

Why do you need to drop the joules with that chip if it's too hot.... I'm missing something here or the temp side of this chip does not work?

decoy straight in there with them coils mate, I vape around 430f.

I don't know but even at 212°F the minimum it is too hot at 50J so I think the Joules has more to do with it than the temp as at 20J it doesn't appear to go above 140°F, think it is the different way the YiHi chip works

Try letting it cool right down and relock the resistance, you can tell when it's at it's lowest if you repeat this (without vaping) until the resistance doesn't go down any more.  The YiHi shows transient temperatures well over the limit and seem to run  hotter that the DNA and the lack of refinement mode allows it to nuke your coil if there is a resistance problem.

[Bob]

May 4, 2015 17:51:19 GMT VapingBad said:

May 4, 2015 17:45:47 GMT Bob said:

I don't know but even at 212°F the minimum it is too hot at 50J so I think the Joules has more to do with it than the temp as at 20J it doesn't appear to go above 140°F, think it is the different way the YiHi chip works

Try letting it cool right down and relock the resistance, you can tell when it's at it's lowest if you repeat this (without vaping) until the resistance doesn't go down any more.  The YiHi shows transient temperatures well over the limit and seem to run  hotter that the DNA and the lack of refinement mode allows it to nuke your coil if there is a resistance problem.

Just gave it a quick try and it's now showing 0.068 !! down from the original 0.104 (but I hadn't fired it when I set it at that) -I'll let it cool some more and try again. Weird.

EDIT: Looks like it's settled at 0.066 ohms and can now be left at 50J and temp adjusted (300) to what I prefer, although at 400 it still appears to be hotter than a DNA40, but then again it is a lower build than the DNA can handle, so that probably makes a difference. Still not sure whether I prefer the DNA40 or this one.

[flavourtank]

Hello


I need help (mentally and physically)

I've made a 0.26ohm coil using 32awg nickel and wicked with muji

The problem I'm having is the temp protection seems to kick in very quickly and I've tried raising temp but horrible taste (dry) and lowering but it doesn't help.

I have adjusted the wattage and it tastes minging.

Do you think using another wick I.e rayon would help and is it better to Have the wick quite thick?





@scooby Tom decoy
Just tagged you as it looks like you know what might help