DNA40 - Temp Control - Nickel Builds

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Jan 10, 2015 23:32:13 GMT @letsavit said:

@scooby im working on the theory at the moment that spaced coils stop the juice pooling and it drains back onto the wick before the next vape. less juice sitting on the coil when pre boost (think that's what it called, can't remember at the moment) cuts in = less burnt juice/build up on the coil?

You do look like you're using some thick heavy juices there though...!

Looking for a 4ml or more atty with replacement coils that can constantly run at 12watts. Decent Pre made ni200 coils I would buy straight away too...!

Less juice and less concentration of heat, yep could be right @letsavit

The El Toro range from HoL use natural extract of tobacco, that's what cruds up the coil. I'm happy to accept that, although it's a pita, as it's miles better than the contrived flavours of synthetic type tobacco juices.

The Mini Nautilus is only 2ml, the Nautius is 5ml, the Kanger Aerotank Mega is 3.8ml. Nickel coils are available for both, 0.3ohm for the Nautilus and 0.18ohm for the Mega. All available from here  

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I have to agree with the theory that spaced is better. Have noticed that they last longer before the vapour starts to drop off.

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Jan 11, 2015 11:09:59 GMT @scooby said:

Jan 10, 2015 23:32:13 GMT @letsavit said:

@scooby im working on the theory at the moment that spaced coils stop the juice pooling and it drains back onto the wick before the next vape. less juice sitting on the coil when pre boost (think that's what it called, can't remember at the moment) cuts in = less burnt juice/build up on the coil?

You do look like you're using some thick heavy juices there though...!

Looking for a 4ml or more atty with replacement coils that can constantly run at 12watts. Decent Pre made ni200 coils I would buy straight away too...!

Less juice and less concentration of heat, yep could be right @letsavit

The El Toro range from HoL use natural extract of tobacco, that's what cruds up the coil. I'm happy to accept that, although it's a pita, as it's miles better than the contrived flavours of synthetic type tobacco juices.

The Mini Nautilus is only 2ml, the Nautius is 5ml, the Kanger Aerotank Mega is 3.8ml. Nickel coils are available for both, 0.3ohm for the Nautilus and 0.18ohm for the Mega. All available from here  

Your juice is your juice and is fixed as far as im concerned, the gear that vaporises it has the variables we can change to improve.   

you reckon (or used and know) the larger nautilus and kanger above with the little coils and limited juice flow going run 12watts 430f ok, ie not have temp control cutting in all the time? What you running the mini at mate, has it been OK?  

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Jan 11, 2015 11:13:40 GMT @windows said:

I have to agree with the theory that spaced is better. Have noticed that they last longer before the vapour starts to drop off.

Have tested 2 kayfuns with totally different sized single coils/wicks, 1.8 and 3 I think, one spaced one pinched. To my taste (all be it what I vape is far from subtle flavours) I could tell no difference.  Was only doing that for myself and flavour but in hindsight I should of pushed the test to coil gunking as well then. 

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Jan 11, 2015 12:00:41 GMT @letsavit said:

Jan 11, 2015 11:09:59 GMT @scooby said:

Less juice and less concentration of heat, yep could be right @letsavit

The El Toro range from HoL use natural extract of tobacco, that's what cruds up the coil. I'm happy to accept that, although it's a pita, as it's miles better than the contrived flavours of synthetic type tobacco juices.

The Mini Nautilus is only 2ml, the Nautius is 5ml, the Kanger Aerotank Mega is 3.8ml. Nickel coils are available for both, 0.3ohm for the Nautilus and 0.18ohm for the Mega. All available from here  

Your juice is your juice and is fixed as far as im concerned, the gear that vaporises it has the variables we can change to improve.   

you reckon (or used and know) the larger nautilus and kanger above with the little coils and limited juice flow going run 12watts 430f ok, ie not have temp control cutting in all the time? What you running the mini at mate, has it been OK?  

The same 0.3ohm coil is used in the Mini and standard Nautilus. There are 4 x 1mm holes in the body for juice to flow. I was given 2 coils to try out and with regard to wicking and gunking performed just about the same as my own made ones on the Squape and Kayfun. No problems within a range of 400-450f and 10-15w. I think they would suit your planned use as a lazy day - standby coil, but at over £2.50 each a bit costly for full time use if there is a need to changes them frequently.   

[geordie_vaper]

getting a few clone mods and they are getting a chip transplant to either a dna 30 or 40, have kept up with most of this thread with interest, question so in the genral opinion that wide open airflow makes thr tc work better?

and a off topic question bout the chip how do you turn of tc and run it with kanthal

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Jan 11, 2015 12:39:12 GMT geordie_vaper said:

getting a few clone mods and they are getting a chip transplant to either a dna 30 or 40, have kept up with most of this thread with interest, question so in the genral opinion that wide open airflow makes thr tc work better?

and a off topic question bout the chip how do you turn of tc and run it with kanthal

Air and juice flow both play a part in the temp control.

I can't get a Kayfun lite to run at 12watts from start to finish without it cutting in. Orchid boosts massively from the off to warm up the coils and temp control never cuts in thereafter, even with chain vaping. 

the DNA40 auto detects the wire. 

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You have to turn the temp contol off to use kanthal. Then it just becomes a normal dna40.

[geordie_vaper]

yeah i ment how do you turn it off, i vape with a small amout of air flow 1.2mm airflow at the most, so i think tc would kick in to soon going off what i have ready so all just be using it with kanthal

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Jan 11, 2015 13:20:21 GMT @windows said:

You have to turn the temp contol off to use kanthal. Then it just becomes a normal dna40.

It detects kanthal and automatically goes into watts mode.

With micro coils (touching loops) nickel can short between loops even after you pulse it to heat evenly if it gets disturbed. It's going to be more reliably to space them, it doesn't need to be by much you can just strum a micro coil to spread it out a tiny bit after wicking it.

[VapingBad]

Jan 11, 2015 13:55:26 GMT geordie_vaper said:

yeah i ment how do you turn it off, i vape with a small amout of air flow 1.2mm airflow at the most, so i think tc would kick in to soon going off what i have ready so all just be using it with kanthal

You don't need to turn temp limiting off for kantal it's automatic.

To turn off temp limiting: 5 clicks on fire to lock, hold down up+down for about 5 secs to put in temp set mode, adjust up past 600° F and unlock.  This is useful for pulsing nickel coils, though some pulse at 600° F.  If you have a later board to get Celsius go into temp set mode and go down below 200° F. 

To get serial number of board hold the down button down at 1 W.

[geordie_vaper]

thanks for the quick reply peeps

[iLardyboy]

Just did my first nickel build this morning. I did it like a standard microcoil with 12 wraps of 0.32 tempered NI200 around 2.4mm jewellers screwdriver and it came came out at 0.13 ohms. Not really sure if that resistance is accurate but it's vaping really well. Have Banoffee Cookie Dough in the Kanger Subtank and the VS is set at 400F and 15W. Happy so far.

Is spacing the coils better than a microcoil build.

[VapingBad]

Jan 13, 2015 12:08:59 GMT iLardyboy said:

Just did my first nickel build this morning. I did it like a standard microcoil with 12 wraps of 0.32 tempered NI200 around 2.4mm jewellers screwdriver and it came came out at 0.13 ohms. Not really sure if that resistance is accurate but it's vaping really well. Have Banoffee Cookie Dough in the Kanger Subtank and the VS is set at 400F and 15W. Happy so far.

Is spacing the coils better than a microcoil build.

When you fit the atty the resistance is accurate, but after a while it often displays a the value when cold so if you want to be sure remove the atty, press fire then refit and choose new coil.

Spaced coils should be more reliable because the high current can sometimes cause shorts between the loops and it's what Brandon from Evolv recommended on VTTV.

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No maths nothing to back it up just user experience but I'm finding when i put a new coil/atty on all at room temp the ohms are out. Two lugs to warm atty slightly then take off/back on to request "new coil" again and it reads more accurate from the start?