Wick size

[Greg]

Dec 30, 2014 21:42:08 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Greg What would you recommend?

I made my recommendation above Bobsbeer, 0.25 Kanthal 

[Bobsbeer]

Dec 30, 2014 22:08:01 GMT Greg said:

Dec 30, 2014 21:42:08 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Greg What would you recommend?

I made my recommendation above Bobsbeer, 0.25 Kanthal 

I'm confused.  .21 is thinner than .25 so why is that harder to make micro coils?  Or is it like how decoy says harder to work with?

[decoy]

Dec 30, 2014 22:16:13 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Dec 30, 2014 22:08:01 GMT Greg said:

I made my recommendation above Bobsbeer, 0.25 Kanthal 

I'm confused.  .21 is thinner than .25 so why is that harder to make micro coils?  Or is it like how decoy says harder to work with?

the thinner the wire the easier it is to bend and under.25 it dont like to keep its shape so when you wick it your likely to bugger the micro coil

[flavourtank]

Dec 30, 2014 22:19:51 GMT decoy said:

Dec 30, 2014 22:16:13 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I'm confused.  .21 is thinner than .25 so why is that harder to make micro coils?  Or is it like how decoy says harder to work with?

the thinner the wire the easier it is to bend and under.25 it dont like to keep its shape so when you wick it your likely to bugger the micro coil

dont heating it keep its strength?

[Greg]

Dec 30, 2014 22:19:51 GMT decoy said:

Dec 30, 2014 22:16:13 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I'm confused.  .21 is thinner than .25 so why is that harder to make micro coils?  Or is it like how decoy says harder to work with?

the thinner the wire the easier it is to bend and under.25 it dont like to keep its shape so when you wick it your likely to bugger the micro coil

So eloquently annunciated 

also 0.2 is too high resistance for a decent micro-coil

[decoy]

Dec 30, 2014 22:24:01 GMT Greg said:

Dec 30, 2014 22:19:51 GMT decoy said:

the thinner the wire the easier it is to bend and under.25 it dont like to keep its shape so when you wick it your likely to bugger the micro coil

So eloquently annunciated 

also 0.2 is too high resistance for a decent micro-coil

i likes to use laymans terms Tease-smiley

[Ripshod]

Dec 30, 2014 22:22:06 GMT flavourtank said:

dont heating it keep its strength?

Heating doesn't affect the strength directly, unless you get into quenching (one of my favourites). Just heating a coil and letting it cool naturally will more likely temper the coil (make it softer).

Quench hardening is a mechanical process in which steel and cast iron alloys are strengthened and hardened.

The point was a finer wire will deform easier, making rewicking more difficult as it's easier to disturb (deform) your coils.

I'd recommend either 0.25 or 0.28mm kanthal (personally the latter)

Back to the OP. May be a good time to move to cotton wool wicks?

[Get Off My Cloud]

Dec 30, 2014 21:33:13 GMT flavourtank said:

Dec 30, 2014 21:20:29 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Many thanks.  That would be great, but what are Jap pads? 

this is them from a vendor I didnt get mine from there, its just to show u
www.angelfiremods.co.uk/store/p303/100%25_ORIGINAL_KOH_GEN_DO_JAPANESE_COTTON_PADS.html

Can i ask what's the difference between those Japanese pads and other brands of square cosmetic removal pads?
I purchased a pack of 50 for a £1 from a local shop and maybe i'm missing something but i don't understand what.
These are 100% untreated organic cotton.

[VapingBad]

The main advantage of Jap cotton is that has all the fibres running in the same direction, it seems like the fibres are longer as it holds together very well and is very uniform.

[chykensa]

Bobsbeer - I would concur with what has already been said; .25 Kanthal and cotton wool, either the Japanese pads or an organic un-scented cotton wool ball or pad similar to the one you linked to. The other option is rayon, a cellulose-based fibre that also has the fibres running the same way. The major difference is that while using cotton you need to leave room for the cotton to expand and allow the juice to get to the coil, rayon needs to be well-packed into the microcoil to get the same effect. If you would like some rayon to try, PM me and I'll pop some in the post for you; I have a good amount and some spare.
Either way, I would suggest you experiment with microcoils rather than winding thinner wire around a silica wick. The big plus doing this is that you can remove the old wick from a microcoil, dry-burn said coil and simply replace the wick, giving you a fresh coil which will last at least 6 weeks before requiring replacement. Once a silica coil fails, you have no alternative but to build a new coil - great if you need the practice, but a PITA in reality!

[Get Off My Cloud]

Dec 30, 2014 23:45:42 GMT VapingBad said:

The main advantage of Jap cotton is that has all the fibres running in the same direction, it seems like the fibres are longer as it holds together very well and is very uniform.

Yep these ones have the fibres all running in one direction too.

[VapingBad]

Dec 31, 2014 1:13:21 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Dec 30, 2014 23:45:42 GMT VapingBad said:

The main advantage of Jap cotton is that has all the fibres running in the same direction, it seems like the fibres are longer as it holds together very well and is very uniform.

Yep these ones have the fibres all running in one direction too.

They probably vape just as well then, which shop did you get them from?

[Get Off My Cloud]

Dec 31, 2014 11:02:52 GMT VapingBad said:

Dec 31, 2014 1:13:21 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Yep these ones have the fibres all running in one direction too.

They probably vape just as well then, which shop did you get them from?

I got them from this place link, doesn't look like they sell them online though, there's a brick and mortar store near me i just happened to see the pads when i was in there buying some other stuff.
The brand is called Simply Cotton and the item is named 50 Square Cotton Wool Cosmetic Pads if you wanna try finding a stockist online, there's no website on the pack only a sales email addy. [e-mail].

[Bobsbeer]

Thanks for the offer chykensa. flavourtank is sending me some wire and cotton, so I'll try with that first, or I will get confused. I need to get my head around all the different resistances and even no resistance wires. I'll get a coiling jig and have a play. Once I've given that a try I will start on other stuff.

[decoy]

tbh there is no need for a coiling jig i just use them small screwdrivers or drill bits to wrap coils round
and rem if putting 2 coils in then the resistance is halved ie 2 x 2ohm coils will come out at 1 ohm
and always check the finished atty,s hesitance to make sure its not shorted or to low
if your atty leaks its no biggy just re wick it following a diff you tube vid