Tobacco company 'new tech' e-cig.

[djs]

During my foray into enemy territory (Birmingham) I managed to have my attention taken by an enormous billboard presenting the "MESH" e-cig by our friendly tobacco-company-owned brand "Nicocig".... them of Nicolites fame, purchased by Philip Morris.

Nicocig have been advertising around the area for a long time, labeling their products as "UK #1 e-cig" etc since, well, a long time. You can imagine how impressed I am by these adverts....

Anyway, I have checked out the website and if you are interested, have a look.

www.nicocig.co.uk/mesh-starter-kit.html


I am quite sure I vowed never to purchase a tobacco company product, but I might send off for one of these for science/research/newbie give-away.

Closed system, but hey... you get 2ml for £1 which if the world falls apart (TPD) then might be worth a look.

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*Disclaimer 1*

I have no idea if it's good or bad. It's just kind of reassuring that they think they can make money with £1 refills... which shows that some progress had happened over the last 5 years.

*Disclaimer 2*.

Some people have already reviewed this on their very nice, totally independent, not-for-money-at-all e-cig review sites.

These websites are not trustworthy.

[lobeydosser]

It doesn't say what MG level these are.

[djs]

Jan 7, 2017 18:21:21 GMT lobeydosser said:

It doesn't say what MG level these are.

11mg and 19mg.

The 19mg is clearly a nod to the TPD, I reckon.

[Get Off My Cloud]

Seen a few of the US reviewers on Youtube reviewing these pod type devices lately.
This one apparently has TC built in and low liquid detection, this one doesn't look like it has refillable pods but some of the other similar devices offer ready filled and refillable pods.
I think these have their place, probably decent enough for someone looking to quit smoking not so good though for someone who wants to switch to vaping long term.
You're going to limited by flavours for one with pods that can't be refilled, the pods and the batteries are propitiatory to each other too which makes sense for the manufacturer not for the consumer.

I'm probably in the minority but i actually like to see tobacco companies moving toward vaping tech, i'd much rather see them making vape devices than cigarettes.
These companies aren't going to go away and to have them move from tobacco products to vape products to make money is only a good thing in my opinion.

The one thing i don't like is them using their massive wealth and influence to muscle independent manufacturers out of the market through lobbying for legislation.
I would like to see them compete in a free market and honestly they could probably win without being devious b**tards.
They have all the money in the world for R&D, they have manufacturing and distribution networks worldwide, to be honest they could easily price their competitors out of the market.

[jtc]

I agree with you Get Off My Cloud that they could bring out some awesome, well made and safe products as it looks like it's going that way. It's just a shame as usual the public will end up getting ripped off by taxes and us as serial vapists have to put up with all the conditions and laws that are being implemented.I know plenty are prepared but it's bound to affect plenty of less informed/prepared vapists

[lobeydosser]

Jan 7, 2017 18:23:21 GMT djs said:

Jan 7, 2017 18:21:21 GMT lobeydosser said:

It doesn't say what MG level these are.

11mg and 19mg.

The 19mg is clearly a nod to the TPD, I reckon.

Way too low for me then.

I guess unless we get rid of TDP then eventually I, and a few others around here, will be back to fags.

Shame really considering the consequences.

[jtc]

Jan 7, 2017 19:03:40 GMT lobeydosser said:

Jan 7, 2017 18:23:21 GMT djs said:

11mg and 19mg.

The 19mg is clearly a nod to the TPD, I reckon.

Way too low for me then.

I guess unless we get rid of TDP then eventually I, and a few others around here, will be back to fags.

Shame really considering the consequences.

If you get your freezer full of nic then you'll be ok

[djs]

Jan 7, 2017 18:35:40 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

I'm probably in the minority but i actually like to see tobacco companies moving toward vaping tech, i'd much rather see them making vape devices than cigarettes.
These companies aren't going to go away and to have them move from tobacco products to vape products to make money is only a good thing in my opinion.

I don't disagree.

What was going on a year ago was companies like this were trying to get away with £££ selling all sorts of 3rd rate tat. I remember one of them trying to flog sealed CE clearos with 3ml in for £6.99.

I think we can safely say that 'real' vapers and refillable tanks (from basic plastic clearos to 7ml sub-ohm beasts) have kind of forced their arm.

I don't know how much of the 2ml you can use before it dries out and stops, and it is typically pathetic of this type of brand to not give any real-world answers to vape puffs etc. but even if the refill only really did 150-200 puffs, then a new vaper might only use 2 a day.

2 a day for £1.99 is a lot more realistic than 1-2 a day for £3.49-£6.99 which is what E-Lites (Japan tobacco) are still getting away with.

I think it's progress.

It's also many times cheaper than the infamous Vype nonsense.

[VapingBad]

The other big thing is with BT is the public demand for a large selection of flavours and I don't think they will ever change their business model to do so.

[manonabus]

Don't like any of those flavours but it's a non starter for me anyway as 6mg is my comfort zone. Besides you get 10ml for a compliant £1 at onepoundeliquid and besides that BT can suck my errm drip tip.
My first job was in B'ham warwick road greet, had a spell in Digbeth, yea up the blues.

[lobeydosser]

Hi jtc, when I say that eventually I will have to go back on the fags, I am talking about the year 2030.
However others around here are not so well provided for and one in particular who vapes at 45mg, well he has buried his head in the ground as far as any changes at all will happen.

Although we here are well informed about what is going to happen, of the 10 or so vapers in this area, I appear to be the only one who is Forum Informed.
I wonder how many others out there are in for a helluva shock come May this year.

[jtc]

Jan 7, 2017 20:59:42 GMT lobeydosser said:

Hi jtc, when I say that eventually I will have to go back on the fags, I am talking about the year 2030.
However others around here are not so well provided for and one in particular who vapes at 45mg, well he has buried his head in the ground as far as any changes at all will happen.

Although we here are well informed about what is going to happen, of the 10 or so vapers in this area, I appear to be the only one who is Forum Informed.
I wonder how many others out there are in for a helluva shock come May this year.

Yes I totally get what you are saying and it certainly is not fair

[sydsut]

Jan 7, 2017 20:59:42 GMT lobeydosser said:

Hi jtc , when I say that eventually I will have to go back on the fags, I am talking about the year 2030.
However others around here are not so well provided for and one in particular who vapes at 45mg, well he has buried his head in the ground as far as any changes at all will happen.

Although we here are well informed about what is going to happen, of the 10 or so vapers in this area, I appear to be the only one who is Forum Informed.
I wonder how many others out there are in for a helluva shock come May this year.

Probably well over a million as we who are "forum informed"  are in a small minority it seems. What gets me though is the complacency shown by a number of B&Ms locally as there is no attempt made to inform their customers of the changes coming in May. If I was an owner I'd have Posters plastered all over the shop, warning my customers of the coming apocalypse in vaping terms. But locally (The Lanarkshire/Glasgow area) as far as I can see they just don't seem to care. Perhaps some of them are hoping they can raise prices by a large margin and increase profits?.

[jtc]

Yeah it's crazy
99% of vapers I meet ain't got a clue about it still,and when I tell them I get the feeling they think everything will be ok.I think this is the way most the public have been conditioned these days, to just accept whatever is thrown at them

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Jan 7, 2017 21:42:05 GMT jtc said:

Yeah it's crazy
99% of vapers I meet ain't got a clue about it still,and when I tell them I get the feeling they think everything will be ok.I think this is the way most the public have been conditioned these days, to just accept whatever is thrown at them

Had the same response tonight from people vaping inside and outside of pubs. None of them knew about TPD but I got the impression most weren't bothered. They were using pens or disposables and if they are still available that's ok.
Seems many people are now vaping to stop smoking but unaware of not only the changes but with a few steps an whole new world of vaping