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[vapingdaz]

May 14, 2012 18:36:16 GMT Brian said:

Yeah Daz. Its because we all have our own thoughts on so many differing topics, and even though they are different, there is hardly any falling out between anyone.

You are entitled to your views, as i and anyone else are allowed ours. We are all adults, and so can engage in various debates without too much provocation, or petty-mindedness.

I LOVE THIS SITE!!!

I think all you guys are great.

[Brian]

I agree to a certain extent that the guy Dave met at the e-lies stall, was obviously giving a tutorial on how to sell his products. He has probably paid out a bundle of money, as has already been discussed.

To read that Dave is, or was, thinking of confronting the stall holder was never going to be a good idea, IMO.

Im interested in Thursdays VTTV show to see what happened at the VIP stall, but again, its not going to be a company stall, but another franchisee who has parted with a lot of money, to try and earn a living.

These franchise owners were likely told lie after lie, about how easy it will be to earn X amount of money after expenses, and they believed all the lies.

Im sure that any of us with a certain amount of money. £2,000 +, could import from China, cigalikes and sell them in malls at a great profit. But I dont have the inclination or mind to con people with the lies needed.

[Deleted]

May 14, 2012 18:52:29 GMT vapingdaz said:

Yes but storm are the vendors is it them as a whole or just some rogue franchisees, because this is what maddens me about them. Because it casts subject on other good vendors.

I agree , so first and foremost we need the main vendors comments , then information about how they train their franchisees , then we need to ascertain if the franchisees are actually rogue or acting on the training they have been given .

An awkward situation but it still needs to be addressed.

From there vendor / franchisee need to be educated / retrained.

[vapingdaz]

You know as well Brian on top of that isn't it amazing how e lies don't state a lot of the same stuff in newspaper ads. Hmmm I wonder why???

[Queenie Bee]

It certainly does daz and that is one of the things that needs stopping but I feel to do this the people at the top of the chain need to be made accountable first then it will filter down . Take tets market stall for example she sells the whole picture of ecigs with informed knowledge these are the people that elites need to learn from .

[vapingdaz]

Exactly qb agreed so IMO that's why we need this coverage to use to show these people the error of their ways.

[Queenie Bee]

May 14, 2012 19:05:54 GMT vapingdaz said:

Exactly qb agreed so IMO that's why we need this coverage to use to show these people the error of their ways.

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[dognero]

Found this. Man at the top?
uk.linkedin.com/pub/adrian-everett/26/8aa/136

[Brian]

Nice find.

Wonder if hifi has seen this?

[Chrissie]

May 14, 2012 18:45:42 GMT @storm said:

This kind of thread bolsters all of us to be positive about the future of e-cigs , informative and also educational , I'm in my second year of vaping and still learn from threads such as this from our more seasoned vapers , if some vendors are acting wrongly in their marketing they need to be brought to book . This can only be done through our forums , ECITA and ECCA .

Storm, I also think our e-cig media can & does help bring them to book by highlighting the situation, as Hi-fi has done.

As for ECITA, are they really going to step in & bring to book a founder member? I hope so, as I thought that was one of the reasons for their existence?

[womble]

May 14, 2012 18:40:50 GMT vapingdaz said:

It is an interesting subject for sure, but when I'm not making sense it bugs me, learned not to update with my phone, always make stupid errors very unprofessional.
What I'm trying to say is womble your comments read as though that guy, that one guy is the whole of e lites, and he isn't he pays them a franchise fee. To represent them and make a living for himself. Now the point I'm making is that that one guy should apparently have had some sort of training, which I don't believe a lot of it is contained in the video. So you can't say about quoting them word for word, because every other seller may not say the same thing.

Would it not be fairer to say that, what this individual is saying to customers, and measure that againstwhat should be being said to consumers. Because they way its worded to me means that e lites are training franchisees, to say that to customers. And we can't say that because we have no evidence.

You're making the mistake of not reading my posts properly I think.

You have to break down what the guy said into 2 parts. One we know are lies, that's the bit about blue water and the government won't let us make them any stronger. (I very much doubt this comes from E-lites)

And one is the spiel from E-lites themselves. That is the amount of cigarettes that one carto will equal. THAT is written on the E-lites website, so why wouldn't he say it? And of course it's something that will be highlighted when he did his training when buying the franchise.


So I don't see how you get from that, to me saying this one guy is the whole of E-lites?

[ian]

Me and my dad used Elites e-cigs for around 6 months when we first started vaping.We constantly had to go back to the stall in the shopping centre with duff batteries,atomisers and even carts that were not filled with juice.We used to speak to the kids who worked on the stall, who told us that they were sick of the job, and people coming back complaining and asking for refunds.Me and my dad talked to them about the claims they were making about how many real cigs each cart was equivalent to,this was infront of people who were looking at buying a kit.In the end we said we had had enough and were calling trading standards due to the claims being SO far out and wrong.What they used to do with us was get on the phone to the so called main man,who was never ever seen.They then used to just say,give us all your faulty stuff then and you can both have a full new kit with PCC and 10 boxes of carts each.I know for a fact that this was just to get us away from the stall as alot of people were just walking away and not buying when they heard we were not happy.Also whoever was on that phone was desperate for us to go away happy with a good free upgrade and NOT to phone trading standards.I will say that im thankful of the kit as it got me and my dad into vaping BUT the prices they would charge for replacements was crazy.£11.99 for one new atomiser and £6 for 5 carts.We soon twigged to buying bottles of eliquid online and filling the carts ourselves luckily :)Just my personal experience and i havent tried the new cartomiser kits they now offer,this was over two years back when E-lites first started selling at Merryhill shopping centre in the Midlands.Im very suprised they havent changed the false claims or had trading standards on to them bigstyle by now.Im just happy i found this place in the end and finally got me and my old man some proper kit

[Anne (fuzzy)]

Interesting post Ian

[Chrissie]

Very interesting indeed Ian, I'd completely forgotten you had started with e-lites.

Just a thought, as this thread is now in members only, it's not going to come up in a google search for e-lites & IMHO that's a crying shame.

[Brian]

I suggested moving so their hierarchy didnt get a heads up in what hifi had planned, but as plans have changed then i see no reason not to move it back Chrissie.