provari battery ???

[ragjoy]

Aug 4, 2012 15:37:31 GMT absolutelycurtains said:

Aug 4, 2012 15:24:17 GMT ragjoy said:

i understand the principle in charging at 3.7 to preserve battery life but if you are charging at what from the last post states it could 1/2 the battery capacity.
therefore would you not be shortening the life as you are charging it twice as many times.
in a sense is it not swings and roundabouts.
just an observation with nothing to support it.

raggy..............

I'd read somewhere I don't remember where about not letting these batteries drop below 2. something, wasn't a vaping site though so don't know how vaping with them effects them, but I now you only get so many charges out of a battery so it does make sense what your saying....I'm a converted flasher I think hehe. (well unless someone comes along and says DON'T DO IT)

i sort of agree with both ways.
one preserves the battery but with twice as many charges and the other doesent preserve the battery but it preserves the amount of charges thus equalling the same thing.
or am i talking nonsense!!!!!!! it does happen

[absolutelycurtains]

Aug 4, 2012 15:47:25 GMT ragjoy said:

Aug 4, 2012 15:37:31 GMT absolutelycurtains said:

I'd read somewhere I don't remember where about not letting these batteries drop below 2. something, wasn't a vaping site though so don't know how vaping with them effects them, but I now you only get so many charges out of a battery so it does make sense what your saying....I'm a converted flasher I think hehe. (well unless someone comes along and says DON'T DO IT)

i sort of agree with both ways.
one preserves the battery but with twice as many charges and the other doesent preserve the battery but it preserves the amount of charges thus equalling the same thing.
or am i talking nonsense!!!!!!! it does happen

well if your talking nonsense we can talk nonsense together can't we

[Gordy]

do whatever suits you best ...worrying about preserving the life of batteries is kinda pointless as they are relatively cheap and last for 100's of charge cycles

[Gordy]

i can see why people top up charge in a non regulated device as they want the peek voltage but in a provari just dont see the point

[ragjoy]

Aug 4, 2012 16:03:23 GMT Gordy said:

i can see why people top up charge in a non regulated device as they want the peek voltage but in a provari just dont see the point

ive always been a bit of a nut for following battery rules, even with the old mobile phones.
but then i thought with having the provari it should take care of the batteries as thats part of its job.
no point buying expensive products and not letting them do the work.

raggy............

[maccafan]

Aug 4, 2012 15:24:17 GMT ragjoy said:

i understand the principle in charging at 3.7 to preserve battery life but if you are charging at what from the last post states it could 1/2 the battery capacity.
therefore would you not be shortening the life as you are charging it twice as many times.
in a sense is it not swings and roundabouts.
just an observation with nothing to support it.

raggy..............

That principle only works for batteries which have a memory effect like Ni CD..

For Li-Ion it is better to top up frequently through partial discharge for more life..I only pulled my reply earlier because I did not realize that others had posted and you had replied and not because it was wrong..

The lower you discharge, the higher the chances of lowering capacity by doing irreversible chemical damage..That's the reason batteries are supplied with a 40-60 percent charge..

[ragjoy]

Aug 4, 2012 17:28:33 GMT maccafan said:

Aug 4, 2012 15:24:17 GMT ragjoy said:

i understand the principle in charging at 3.7 to preserve battery life but if you are charging at what from the last post states it could 1/2 the battery capacity.
therefore would you not be shortening the life as you are charging it twice as many times.
in a sense is it not swings and roundabouts.
just an observation with nothing to support it.

raggy..............

That principle only works for batteries which have a memory effect like Ni CD..

For Li-Ion it is better to top up frequently through partial discharge for more life..I only pulled my reply earlier because I did not realize that others had posted and you had replied and not because it was wrong..

The lower you discharge, the higher the chances of lowering capacity by doing irreversible chemical damage..That's the reason batteries are supplied with a 40-60 percent charge..

dont get me wrong i totally agree with what your saying.
the point i was sort of trying to make was that if a battery for example is good for 100 charges then if you only charged it from 50% capacity each time you would get 100x .5 of a charge or say 100x 2hrs vaping.
whereas if you deplete the battery would you get only 50 charges at 4 hrs vaping, if so its swings and roundabouts.

i realise im over complicating things a bit

[maccafan]

Like I said, number of charging cycles is irrelevant to batteries that do not suffer from the memory effect..It's a carry over from the NiCd days.

It has been proven that higher discharged Li-Ion batteries suffer from a loss of capacity the next time they are charged..

[ragjoy]

Aug 4, 2012 18:02:12 GMT maccafan said:

Like I said, number of charging cycles is irrelevant to batteries that do not suffer from the memory effect..It's a carry over from the NiCd days.

It has been proven that higher discharged Li-Ion batteries suffer from a loss of capacity the next time they are charged..

ok macca thanks.
just out of curiosity what is the lower point where possible damage occurs is it 40% from total discharge or lower and at what point do you charge, i assume 3.7v.

raggy...............

[maccafan]

This is probably the best place to read about prolonging the life of your batteries:

batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries