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oh 1 side note a ebayer got back to me with the comment

note the efest battery is come with scratch code so you can check it online and it is 100% Genuine and the sony vtc5 I have bought it in one condition that to be genuine. Thanks

looks like get out of clause with vtc5 !!

so vct 4 first them samsung ?

what can i say top bloke !

looks like no sonys then
one site i went on rated the purple efest 2500 mah 30a (apparently relabed 20a though) have got one of these,but want 4 new batteries so stick with efest or go with samsung...side note got 2 18650 samsung 2600 mah 30a but there icr batteries belive not best to use with low sub ihm and high wat mod ? best to stick to imr ?

looks like i might have to go that way ...definitely right price

ahh thats good the copper 1 was was looking is the same unit different sleeve i asked fastech they said same unit same manufacturer so thats all good makes me fell better about ordering them...been holding of on a $150 blow out with them

right another to throw in the mix then