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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 18:00:06 GMT
Mrsmac maybe a stupid question but the custom logo doesn't mess it up does it ? ive had my evil mini for a few months and it hasn't lost wattage like that although I tend to use it between 30 and 40w with dual Clapton coils/
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 15:50:16 GMT
that's good news and shows that at least one person in Westminster is able to read the details off the impact assessment correctly ..... lets hope it generates the required support to be taken further, of course if we vote out in a few weeks maybe this will be the first of many EDM's to repeal various facets of EU law that are irrelevant or unappealing for the UK, well thers hope at least
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 14:47:56 GMT
And we thought we had it bad. The only problem for us will the curtailment of product development in China as the USA will be their biggest market. So less choice for us all. given that half those products are designed in the USA and made in china its going to seriously crimp the innovation side of things, and it sounds like china is about to introduce similar rules to prevent use or manufacture in their country to protect their tobacco company as well, unless someone at the top of the food chain has a different idea about the direction for their national cigarette industry to take .....
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 14:44:40 GMT
The sheer bollox ( excuse my language ) that gets spouted, beggars belief to anyone who has a modicum of understanding regarding the benefits of ecigarettes: " The Department of Health said: ‘We warmly welcome the judgment. The new requirements for tobacco products, e-cigarettes and herbal products will come into force on May 20 and are expected to result in £13 billion in health benefits in the UK alone. "
How so? Back of fag packet maths. Completely impossible to draw any financial conclusion to the benefits of the TPD, other than a load of people will never start vaping now. No adverts = more smokers. I call that a loss in health. How a Department of Health can call more smoking and less vaping a 'win' is pretty sad. Or, maybe all the Menthols smokers are now just going to stop smoking and that's ... oh, hold on. More smoking, more money.... less smoking less money. Nope... it doesn't add up. You're right. it comes from the person making the report misreading the table, the £13bn figure was what the DoH worked out would be the resultant harm to the public purse of implementing the TPD's e-cig section........its even in the official impact assessment publication on the .gov website....
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 14:42:25 GMT
dunno the live blog indicates that its 90 days from today (august 10th) that it comes into effect so I was going off that,
although you could be right since it seems the FDA who admit the 1500 hours is roughly equivalent to 18 months somehow expect stuff to still be on sale when the regulations come into effect, the tricky part so far is the mention of the 2007 date for hardware that's allowed to still be sold after august 10th,
I rather suspect there actually trying to hatchet the entire vape industry out of the USA to protect the MSA irrespective of harm to the general public, then again there always moaning about the population growing too fast so perhaps they need to induce the half million + deaths a year from smoking related illness .....
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 14:26:54 GMT
and in one fell swoop they eradicate all hardware newer than feb 2007 from sale in the market place .....
not to mention 1500 hours to lodge a single PMTA for each part of a delivery system (tank /mod/coil) I cant even see tobacco companies going through that nonsense at a couple of million dollars a pop
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 13:35:09 GMT
nanotm You are the first person on here that has displayed any open mindedness on this matter and what you just said makes perfect sense. The thing is it's just too easy for people to mock and spout what they've been taught or brainwashed into. This thing is massive and I truly believe is one worth watching or maybe I'm just having an of day and being nice ......
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 13:33:50 GMT
Not going to happen else it would have already happened with fertiliser as can be used by terrorists for all sorts of things So chill folks and vape on! fertiliser purchase is restricted in a lot of places, also in an attempt to prevent future use for bomb making they removed glycol ethanol from consumer marketplace (because without both parts you cant make a timed fertiliser bomb)
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 13:32:14 GMT
sydsut , much as I respect your opinion, I have to disagree with you here. It wouldn't have made any difference how early these people had stepped forward and pitched in their expert opinion/advice. IMO, this was never about public health, it was about filling a void in the budget and to make sure there is enough left to fill political pockets. Having said that, methinks Prof. Britton won't be very high on big Dave's Christmas card list. Everything else that attracts additional taxation is justified on health or environmental grounds. i.e. cigarettes; alcohol; fuel. It is going to be much more difficult; if not impossible to impose additional taxation; excise duties etc on a product that is being advanced as a healthy option by most medical/health experts. its been classified as a tobacco product, under the FCTC rules agreed to under the Lisbon treaty all tobacco products must be subjected to excise duties ..... no need for them to justify anything they can just slap on the tax and sit back while it rolls in .....
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 13:27:07 GMT
oh for recent footage taken from space this article on msn seems to show a rather less than flat earth www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/nasa-launched-a-gopro-into-space-and-the-footage-will-leave-you-absolutely-speechless/ar-BBsEHYS?ocid=spartandhpI still don't say that flat earthers are wrong though since I haven't personally been to space and seen what the earth looks like from that vantage I cant be totally definitive, but I do disagree with the notion, and here's a simple exercise that will show why, take a thimble put it on a flat table top and stick your head on one side looking towards it close the upper eye, the thimble stays the same size regardless of how close you get to it, take the same thimble place it on a football (or other round opaque object of similar size) with something like blue tak to hold it in place, put that on the side of your head and rotate the ball so the thimble comes into view, it is invisible when below the horizon and then grows in size gradually until it is completely visible as your rotate the ball, notice the similarities when traveling towards a hill on the open road, things grow from invisible (below the horizon) to huge..... on a flat surface you don't get a horizon you get a blury dark ness at the edge of your field of view, that's why parabolics are used for sights or telescopes and why you mount telescopes on hill sides instead of on low ground ...... It's a rather bizarre criteria you have for saying something is definitively true or not. I've never been to Mt Everest or Australia i have no qualms however in definitely saying both exist and i suspect neither do you so why place this criteria of not being able to be definitive about the Earth being spherical on yourself because you haven't seen it directly? purely because I don't know for certain that the earth is globe shaped as per the images depicted or if it is in fact a curved disc, I'd hedge my bets on it being the former rather than the latter given the available sum of knowledge on the matter but I don't totally discount the notion that popular belief is wrong, after all popular and scientific belief suggests that e-cig use is worse for you than sucking in a lungful cigarette smoke a small but loud fringe groups has maintained that as false and now it seems mainstream science is catching up and seeing through the fog of popular belief, its widely believed that the US gov lies about pretty much everything, and that was certainly proven true about several things, so for this reason I wont totally poo-poo the idea as utter tosh, besides there needs to be a little mystery out there, I mean how do we know the moon is a circular shape when we never see anything more than a semi circle ?
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 12:07:55 GMT
oh for recent footage taken from space this article on msn seems to show a rather less than flat earth www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/nasa-launched-a-gopro-into-space-and-the-footage-will-leave-you-absolutely-speechless/ar-BBsEHYS?ocid=spartandhpI still don't say that flat earthers are wrong though since I haven't personally been to space and seen what the earth looks like from that vantage I cant be totally definitive, but I do disagree with the notion, and here's a simple exercise that will show why, take a thimble put it on a flat table top and stick your head on one side looking towards it close the upper eye, the thimble stays the same size regardless of how close you get to it, take the same thimble place it on a football (or other round opaque object of similar size) with something like blue tak to hold it in place, put that on the side of your head and rotate the ball so the thimble comes into view, it is invisible when below the horizon and then grows in size gradually until it is completely visible as your rotate the ball, notice the similarities when traveling towards a hill on the open road, things grow from invisible (below the horizon) to huge..... on a flat surface you don't get a horizon you get a blury dark ness at the edge of your field of view, that's why parabolics are used for sights or telescopes and why you mount telescopes on hill sides instead of on low ground ......
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 11:23:29 GMT
jtc that latest vid is serious conspiraloon stuff..... Welcome to your opinion i'm not saying your theory about the earth being flat is necessarily wrong, but the guy there in that video talks out his ass, having watched the videos made from space his claims about nasa not broadcasting things is totally wrong (the first moon mission relayed live footage across the airwaves of both the approach to the moon and return journey from the cockpit mounted camera... his arguments about the ISS being somewhere in a bunker are barking mad (you can see it as it moves overhead with a pair of bino's or a telescope) his simplistic thoughts on how a gyroscope works failed to take account of altitude or the speed of travel or indeed the effects of gravity (a gyroscope that's fully spun up try's to move in the opposite direction to the force applied, so a person carrying one that try's to lift it and turn left will smash to the ground on the right, and that hurts a lot I've done it but only once) If he had stuck to a single train of thought and worked through a hypothesis he might not appear to have just escaped a mental institution but unfortunately he comes across as somehone off their meds and in a manic phase of paranoia all of which combined stands only to totally derail any "proof" he might believe exists because far from presenting the arguments in a logical well founded way he skips from misunderstanding to misunderstanding to outright moonhowling and that's the same with the majority of all conspiraloons (hence the name) if you look closely you can see conspiracies everywhere but only a few of them are really what they appear to be some are just imagined, unfortunately this delusional chap falls into the latter category on pretty much every point he makes
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 10:40:16 GMT
jtcthat latest vid is serious conspiraloon stuff.....
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 9:53:21 GMT
TW was never going to win the case the second the EC commissioner for health pointed out that under the FCTC and Lisbon treaty all tobacco products are required to be subjected to arbitrary rates of excise duty, the court was told not to upset the apple cart or it might just need to shrink in size as the amount of taxation similarly shrunk in size ......
a flurry of legislative releases were published on the EC's website in early April (since removed) detailing taxation rates of £1/ml based on being equivalent to 80 fags (how they work that out is beyond me, 80 fags would last me between 2 and 4 days 10ml of e-juice lasts me a day tops) and they also want to increase that tax rate as the strength goes up.
those publications have all been removed from public view since then but they are due to be implemented on the 4th of April 2017 (the start of the new tax year) perhaps they are only proposals as one advisor suggested to a news paper but given they were listed as mandatory EC directives that's rather unlikely.....
the remaining challenge(s) to the TPD will also fail because the EU is money hungry and its economy has been in free fall for the last 36 months, its hemoraging money faster than the ECB can print it and they need to develop new tax based income streams before the bonds are due for renewal in 2018 or they will be officially bankrupt, the Euro was doomed to failure from the outset, unlike the USA where a pound was a pound and after the revolutionary wars was replaced by the dollar used across the entire continent where its value was equal at all times you cannot combine disparate economies and currencies into a common modle and allow it to hold different worth in each member state, €10 in spain gets you a cd and a pint with a bag of chipsand and an ice cream, in Germany you can buy the pint and the bag of chips and the ice cream but the cd costs €15..... that was the day they all started using the euro and those differences haven't gotten any better since..... bung in Poland where you can buy a house for the price of a cheap car in most other states and suddenly your seeing that they are all totally incompatible with each other and the end was announced before they embarked on the radical process in the first place, only a conqured nation forced to change can become part of a whole without causing huge problems, even the Victorians could figure that out ....
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Post by nanotm on May 5, 2016 8:13:18 GMT
its like a mini case of the bends in the affected limb /joint, only a decompression chamber wont fix the problem .....
thank god for morphine cos arthritis is nasty ... although a case of the bends isn't the only thing that causes it
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