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Post by Frogster (The Alchemist) on Sept 30, 2012 18:09:08 GMT
Hey Frogster, Did your home made tobacco, its just steeping, cant wait, smells divine!! Nice one Skwoody, it will soon be ready to try.... Did you get that S-Sheet I sent you?
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Post by Karma on Sept 30, 2012 18:10:15 GMT
I certainly hope it does Froggy I didn't mean to sound like it was ending
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Post by Phoenixflame (Julie) on Sept 30, 2012 18:34:37 GMT
Have to admit I was in 2 minds about getting the lavender, I've never seen it as a vape flavour but I have an organic rose one which I really like so I thought I'd give it a whirl ! I can't wait for all my vapemail to arrive so I can get started now.
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Post by baconandeggs on Sept 30, 2012 18:39:06 GMT
There have been some questions asked about what juice calculator to use, what one is best, what one is simplest, etc. I am not going to advise that one is better than another, all I will say is this is the one I use for all my recipes, and find it very good. It is called “e-Juice Me Up” and is available free here:- breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,205.msg421.html#msg421 It comes with a load of free recipe’s already to make (some of them are mine)…. But, to make things a bit easier to understand, below is a screen shot of the calculator with a recipe already loaded in it for a mix that I make called “Vodka & Lime Zinger” . The flavours are not in the same order, but here is the same recipe from my mixing book. Here is a quick video on how to use the calculator And this link will take you to a small tutorial on how to use the calculator:- breaktru.com/smf/index.php/topic,205.msg421.html#msg421 Rather than me try and explain it all again…. It is very straight forward once you read this. Before it get slost, lost oohps. because this is the important bit. As an example.... if your nic base is either 100% pg or 100% vg it will only allow a % pg/vg ratio of approx 60/40 on the base nic that you have. So if i mix 100% pg and 100% vg based nic levels 50mg at 50% (equal amounts) you can have any pg/vg ratio as an end result IE, 70/ 30 Yes / No Gonna have me dinner
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Post by Frogster (The Alchemist) on Sept 30, 2012 19:31:06 GMT
So if i mix 100% pg and 100% vg based nic levels 50mg at 50% (equal amounts) you can have any pg/vg ratio as an end result IE, 70/ 30 Yes / No Gonna have me dinner Sorry eggy but No….. in a nutshell…. The more detailed explination is:- If, for example, you had a total of say 30% flavours that were PG based (most are), and used100% PG Nic base, only PG to dilute it, you can make 100% PG juice. The same is true in reverse (100% VG, if everything including flavours are VG based). If you had the same 30% flavours that were PG based (again most are), and used100% VG Nic base, and only VG to dilute it, you would only ever be able to make a mix with a maximum of 70VG/30PG…. That leads us to mixing VG/PG bases, If you mixed 50% of PG and 50% of VG both 50mg, and wanted a target strength of say 18mg, with the same 30% of flavours (PG based) the maximum ratio you can get of PG to VG is 48PG/52VG I recommend people use VG based Nic base as it gives them greater versatility to get (within the above limitations) whatever ratios they need as most flavours are PG based. I also like it as it enables me to get higher VG ratios with tobacco flavours, but this is my preference. Yes, you can combine different ratios or %ages of PG and VG Nic bases, to allow for different combinations if you want to, or if you have some odds and sods to use up. But it starts to make things complicated for the beginer at least. There is a tool in the e-juice calculator that does just that, and more besides (Tools\Nic Calculator), also it works out for you the resulting level of Nic if you mix two different strength Nic Bases together, and puts the correct ratios into the calculator for use. But most people, won’t need or use that or have to worry about it. Edited to try and make it easy to understand, but It isnt, is it?.....I reiterate, MOST people won't ever need to think or worry about this.
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Post by Frogster (The Alchemist) on Sept 30, 2012 20:33:38 GMT
Here is a tip, or two, or three that I posted somewhere in other threads, but people may not have seen them, hence I add them here, as it is all mixology related:-
The markings on Plastic Graduated Syringes, wear off after a time, this is the result of Nic Base and PG, and to a degree VG washing them off. Just paint the outside of the Syringe with a little clear nail varnish, just over the area where the graduation markings are. You will find that they last a lot, lot longer, before you have to throw them out.
Another tip, while we are talking syringes, sometimes the syringe plungers get very stiff (usually after washing), just lubricate the rubber part of the plunger with a dab of VG, it will keep them slip happy and make them last longer and easier to use.
And a third tip about syringes, use the smallest size one you can (1ml is ideal) for adding flavours, they are graduated finer, and you will have more control of the amounts being used.
A final syringe tip is to draw a little air up inside the syringe before you draw up the liquid, it makes the top of the liquid (the level) easier to see and more accurate to measure. Also when you push the plunger to expel the liquid it pushes a little air through the needle, getting all the liquid out of the syringe.
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Post by Karma on Sept 30, 2012 20:38:16 GMT
I seem to have just ordered some mixing stuff from Health Cabin. it won't be posted until after 7th Oct, but I'm not in a great hurry, there's a 10% dissie code on their home page
I ordered
1 ea. 115ml HC Unflavored E-liquid Strength - 36mg Ejuice base - 100%VG £11.65 10 ea. Empty Ejuice Bottle(childproof) Size - 10ml(PE) Material - PE £1.62 1 ea. 115ml PROPYLENE GLYCOL USP(PG) £2.27 1 ea. 10ml Concentrated Candy Flavour(19 flavors) Size - 10ml Flavor - caramel £0.97 1 ea. 10ml Concentrated Nut and Plant Flavour(24 flavors) Size - 10ml Flavor - Licorice £0.97 1 ea. 10ml Concentrated Nut and Plant Flavour(24 flavors) Size - 10ml Flavor - Vanilla £0.9
Total £23.61 slow boat delivery
is that a good deal? I hope so :-[
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Post by Perpetua on Sept 30, 2012 21:38:04 GMT
Sounds good to me Karma. HC's flavourings even I find quite concentrated ( other than RY4 ) so go easy with the amount you add at first. * Frog's recipes now updated on the sticky. *
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Post by Phoenixflame (Julie) on Sept 30, 2012 23:15:51 GMT
I have a question. I would like my mixes to have as much VG in as possible. (I know that most flavourings are PG) I will be using VG nic juice but can someone tell me please can I use all VG diluent as well ? I'm guessing that perhaps both PG & VG diluent have to be used because VG is much thicker and presumably there's a limit to how much distilled water can be put in to thin it down ?? (I don't want to use vodka). Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by Frogster (The Alchemist) on Sept 30, 2012 23:34:23 GMT
This may seem an odd question Julie, but it has some bearing, what are you going to be using to vape it (cartridge, tank, dripping atty, etc) ?
Deionised or distilled water can be used (the general consensus is that distilled water is better (free of minerals) than deionised water – (the purest of purest water, is water that has had both treatments, used in labs, etc)
If you wanted to eliminate as much PG as possible from your mixes, an option is to use distilled water as a thinning agent, it makes the VG less gloopy, making the juice mixture a suitable viscosity to wick correctly and therefore vape better. The setup you use to vape (or more accurately, the ability of the wick to soak up heavy juice) will have some bearing on this….
Use only as much as required to thin the juice down to a level that is good for your setup, but as you already know, the PG in the flavours will be doing some of this, so you may find you only need a small amount, start with 10% water and see how it goes, if you think it is still too thick, add a little more. Not a definitive answer, but I hope it helps.
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Post by baconandeggs on Oct 1, 2012 10:21:49 GMT
So if i mix 100% pg and 100% vg based nic levels 50mg at 50% (equal amounts) you can have any pg/vg ratio as an end result IE, 70/ 30 Yes / No Gonna have me dinner Sorry eggy but No….. in a nutshell…. The more detailed explination is:- If, for example, you had a total of say 30% flavours that were PG based (most are), and used100% PG Nic base, only PG to dilute it, you can make 100% PG juice. The same is true in reverse (100% VG, if everything including flavours are VG based). If you had the same 30% flavours that were PG based (again most are), and used100% VG Nic base, and only VG to dilute it, you would only ever be able to make a mix with a maximum of 70VG/30PG…. That leads us to mixing VG/PG bases, If you mixed 50% of PG and 50% of VG both 50mg, and wanted a target strength of say 18mg, with the same 30% of flavours (PG based) the maximum ratio you can get of PG to VG is 48PG/52VG I recommend people use VG based Nic base as it gives them greater versatility to get (within the above limitations) whatever ratios they need as most flavours are PG based. I also like it as it enables me to get higher VG ratios with tobacco flavours, but this is my preference. Yes, you can combine different ratios or %ages of PG and VG Nic bases, to allow for different combinations if you want to, or if you have some odds and sods to use up. But it starts to make things complicated for the beginer at least. There is a tool in the e-juice calculator that does just that, and more besides (Tools\Nic Calculator), also it works out for you the resulting level of Nic if you mix two different strength Nic Bases together, and puts the correct ratios into the calculator for use. But most people, won’t need or use that or have to worry about it. Edited to try and make it easy to understand, but It isnt, is it?.....I reiterate, MOST people won't ever need to think or worry about this. Confused I am ??? I may add that i have vg and pg nic whisking it's way over to me and i just want to make sure i am using this tool correctly. As an example below using vg and pg nic i can achieve the 70/30 ratio but i could not if i only used vg as the base. Eggy
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Post by Frogster (The Alchemist) on Oct 1, 2012 10:30:17 GMT
I need to get some maple flavour to replace the maplewood If you like the hint of "Wood" in the flavour, as in "Maplewood", the addition of just a drop of TPA Hickory, or (I know this sounds very strange) Capella "Bacon" flavour, I am told works well. Can be used on a whole number of flavours, Peach for Peachwood, Apple for Applewood, Maple for Maplewood, etc.
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Post by Sandra (aka Chillax) on Oct 1, 2012 10:31:14 GMT
Good morning cyber mixers Froggy, my other half of unused tobacco leaf, can I extract the flavour in PG instead of VG? Also, if I started soaking it now (as I won't need it for ages because of what I have aleady bottled) could I leave the leaf whole, soaking in PG put away somewhere? Instead of cutting it up?
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Post by Frogster (The Alchemist) on Oct 1, 2012 11:08:44 GMT
Hi Eggy,
Yes, it looks like you are using the tool correctly… I think you have a good understanding of it.
In the example you quote, you could use a mixture of PG/VG Nic base or even just 100% PG Nic base, no need to mix the two if you don’t need or want to. As I tried to explain before, you can achieve any PG/VG % Ratios you desire (with the correct ingredients). If you want a very high %PG juice or high %VG juice come to that, you have to allow for that in the choice of Nic base, flavours and dilutents.
Where I was pointing out you were incorrect was where you stated “So if i mix 100% pg and 100% vg based nic levels 50mg at 50% (equal amounts) you can have any pg/vg ratio as an end result”. You will always be limited by the % content of the VG/PG that you have incorporated in the Nic base.
Hope that clarifies it a bit, I am sure, confused you are not.
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Post by Phoenixflame (Julie) on Oct 1, 2012 11:16:50 GMT
This may seem an odd question Julie, but it has some bearing, what are you going to be using to vape it (cartridge, tank, dripping atty, etc) ? Deionised or distilled water can be used (the general consensus is that distilled water is better (free of minerals) than deionised water – (the purest of purest water, is water that has had both treatments, used in labs, etc) If you wanted to eliminate as much PG as possible from your mixes, an option is to use distilled water as a thinning agent, it makes the VG less gloopy, making the juice mixture a suitable viscosity to wick correctly and therefore vape better. The setup you use to vape (or more accurately, the ability of the wick to soak up heavy juice) will have some bearing on this…. Use only as much as required to thin the juice down to a level that is good for your setup, but as you already know, the PG in the flavours will be doing some of this, so you may find you only need a small amount, start with 10% water and see how it goes, if you think it is still too thick, add a little more. Not a definitive answer, but I hope it helps. Thanks Frogster, I use vision ego rainbow v3 clearomisers at the moment. One of the juices that I use in them is cherry vapewell which is 50/50 VG PG and they work fine with that.
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