Passthrough with nice button.

[Perpetua]

You put me to shame with your industry.

Having been a retailer all my working life, am quite tuned in to that 'magic' price Verey . . . . there's a
huge difference somehow between £9.95 and £10.50.

[River]

not everything is about price
as ive said before if you have something a little different,and its well made and you offer a good service then you can command a good price,at the end of the day you are running a business and once people buy and try your products and realise that they are quality and unique your sorted,if not it can turn into a dutch auction and then what happens is you devalue that product and everybody looses.

[vereybowring]

Jun 8, 2011 19:24:18 GMT Perpetua said:

You put me to shame with your industry.

Having been a retailer all my working life, am quite tuned in to that 'magic' price Verey . . . . there's a
huge difference somehow between £9.95 and £10.50.

If only it were industry - just acute insomnia I'm afraid, been mostly awake for over 4 years now.

[tynesider]

I would also be interested in one Verey, thanks

[Scylla]

Like Ian, I miss my passthru. All 3 of the Garry Dibleys have died on me I am happily vaping Graeme's MM but although it will function as a PT it is not primarily intended as such and the micro-USB cable is too close to the button for ideal PT vaping.

So I'd very much like one of yours, Verey, don't mind if the price becomes more "realistic"

scylla

[ian]

I totally agree with Scylla regarding missing my PT.I would even be willing to pay £7.50 for one Seriously though i agree with the others in not selling yourself short Verey,you deserve to make a decent profit for your work mate.
I never found out if it was my PT or hub that was at fault but i was getting burnt lips after a few tokes and the attys/cartos were getting extremely hot,not good.

[vereybowring]

Jun 8, 2011 23:25:04 GMT ian said:

I totally agree with Scylla regarding missing my PT.I would even be willing to pay £7.50 for one Seriously though i agree with the others in not selling yourself short Verey,you deserve to make a decent profit for your work mate.
I never found out if it was my PT or hub that was at fault but i was getting burnt lips after a few tokes and the attys/cartos were getting extremely hot,not good.

What resistance wre you using Ian coz I use my PT for large chunks of the day and use 2.4 Ohm as a minimum resistance on it. Anything lower and I suspect it would be far too hot and I'd get scalded.

[ian]

I was mainly using 2.4-3ohm cartomisers and atomisers,thats why i couldnt understand why i was getting a burnt muth and lips.My drip tips were even starting to melt at one point and the metal ones were giving tiny electric shock type tingles to my lips Very strange things were happening so i still dont know if the passthrough was faulty or the hub ???

[vereybowring]

Jun 10, 2011 11:10:30 GMT ian said:

I was mainly using 2.4-3ohm cartomisers and atomisers,thats why i couldnt understand why i was getting a burnt muth and lips.My drip tips were even starting to melt at one point and the metal ones were giving tiny electric shock type tingles to my lips Very strange things were happening so i still dont know if the passthrough was faulty or the hub ???

Sounds very much like there was some sort of earthing fault going on there which I would have guessed as the hub being at fault assuming this was a PT without battery - if the PT had a battery it could have been PT or hub.
A straight PT like the ones I'm making are very simply wired and basically pass the power from the USB to the battery connector. If done right the switch is usually the only part which can fail, the switch can overheat and jam on.

[ian]

Mine was the GD passthrough,i thought it must be the hub because i know Garys mods are all made to a very high standard.No way should a delrin drip tip be melting at 5v,it didnt happen on my GD 101 box mod which was great.So i think you are correct in thinking the hub was at fault Verey.I must buy a much better one this time as i wouldnt wish the problems that i had on anyone.

[rawveg]

River is right, not everything is about price. I've bought cheap mods, and I've bought (seriously) expensive mods... the best mods come with right service. Amongst all of the talk about your prices, not one word has been mentioned about service, support, returns or anything like that. These are the hidden costs that everyone falls foul of at some point. Support, for example, will cost you far more than any other part, far more than your parts, far more than the cost of assembly.

You may disagree, and say that you will build these to such high standards of quality, that you won't have these costs... you'll be wrong. Perhaps not with your first batch, but probably with your second. If margins are tight, the very first problem that you don't foresee, that requires you to spend a little longer with someone to get things going, that's when it really begins to cost, even if they go away satisfied, and no other action needed.

The thing is, you see, not only does support cost you the time you need to invest in resolving an issue, that time, when you are your workforce has also meant that you haven't been able to build one or two or more mods for your next batch, and so on...

Take it from one who knows. I worked for a long time in Customer Services as it was the only work I could get when I came back from Spain, when I was a self employed developer, supporting my own products, with the desire to provide the best product, the best service, these costs were something that I did not factor into my budgets in any way... and it was these that ate into my profits, that made the margins so thin that it simply wasn't worth it.

You should take this into account now, and factor it into your pricing. The magic £9.95 is a good price point to start, but think to yourself, how long would it take you to explain how to use your product to someone who has little or no experience with these things?

This is why I'm a great believer in documentation. I am truly appalled that mods like the GGTS and the UFS do not come with any form of written instruction - yes a manual. The Provari used to, now you can download it from their website, which is acceptable. If you take the time to document your product from the outset - which will cost you one block of time - you won't have to subsequently keep spending that same block of time answering every enquiry...

Anyway, this has become a stupidly long post, and I didn't intend it to... just food for thought.



Tim

[ian]

I got this wonderful device today,many thanks Verey.I am again in love with a passthrough,great performance and a very nice switch.10/10 for performance,highly recommended.

[Scylla]

Vapin' on my new PT right this minnit!!!

There's no way I can complain about THIS button - I've tried and tried

I'm holding the PT so's I operate the button with my thumb, and the cable end of the box is resting on my pinkie like when I operate an SD button. Just so comfortable

Thank you very, very much, Verey.

scylla x

[Perpetua]

It must be the button of all buttons then Scylla . . . as it's something you and I both have high requirements of!

Delighted to hear Verey has been equal to the challenge.

[vereybowring]

Jun 17, 2011 16:44:24 GMT Perpetua said:

It must be the button of all buttons then Scylla . . . as it's something you and I both have high requirements of!

Delighted to hear Verey has been equal to the challenge.

Well the video of the button is on here, as well as on my own site and it even appeared on VTTV on The Witching Hour although Cat did add a soundtrack and not all the subtitles were showing on Cats' edit.