Spotted this today in a retailers paper

[baconandeggs]

Link www.betterretailing.com/2013/05/latest-news/legislation/dead-in-its-tracks-ukip-leader-and-meps-slam-eu-over-legislation-that-could-kill-the-e-cig-industry/

[Blownupdolly]

Someone should let Clive Bates know that many of us are ALREADY brewing our own juice.
As for Mr Farage, it seems there is now another good reason to vote for him.

[lobeydosser]

I don't think Clive Bates was meaning making your own e-juice, I think he was talking about people actually brewing the nicotine content from tobacco.

While this can be done, it is a dangerous process to try at home and not to be recommended, despite there being a few videos on u-tube about it.

[neptune]

I voted UKIP in the local elections. Purely for protest against the status quo. Ever heard the expression "put your money where your mouth is."? So Farage needs to put an e cig where his fag is. What a wasted photo opportunity. Someone really needs to tell him.
Rebecca Taylor thinks that e cigs need to be regulated to protect consumers from poorly performing devices. Bullshine. Market forces will do that. Consumers are not children.
lobeydosser. Extracting nicotine from tobacco at home is indeed a dangerous practice. So is the manufacture of Crystal meth. So most people realise this, and those wanting said substance will tend to buy it down shady alleyways in the dark, whilst helping to subsidise organised crime, and helping to fuel gang warfare, and robbing the state of revenue. It will be exactly the same with nicotine. Those that fail to learn from the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them.

[lobeydosser]

Not sure what you are on about Neptune.

UKIP, north of the Border are bombed out after the comments their leader made last week in Edinburgh.
So as for putting and ecig where his fag is, I would much prefer to put a red hot poker where his sun don't shine!

I'm not so sure about the comparison between nicotine and crystal meth. Then again I don't know what crystal meth is, far less know how to make it or even use it.

As for as getting nicotine to vape with, any vaper who wants to continue vaping for the foreseeable future and has not, or is not planning to, put by a stash of nic base, is hardly going to be in a position to trade for it down dark alleys or want to rob the state of revenue.

Blownupdolly simply misinterpreted what the gentleman (and I use that word exceedingly loosely) was meaning, something that often happens when people are talking about e-cigs.
There are many phrases used when describing Vaping that are misconstrued both in and out of the vaping community and are then picked up by the Media and Joe Public and to me, it is no wonder that Vaping is so often misrepresented by the Media.

[neptune]

lobeydosser. OK I understand that UKIP is not flavour of the month in Scotland. In spite of working in Scotland years ago, and becoming fond of the place, I have never pretended to understand politics. But I would probably vote for anyone to preserve my right to vote. My main point was that if he is promoting e cigs, then he ought to use one instead of his usual fags. For Crystal meth, read any illegal drug. Personally, if I could only buy nicotine down dark alleys, I would do so, and stuff the state and its revenue. After all people do not hesitate to buy black market tobacco, and the state looses revenue there.
I personally have a nic stash. Not everyone has, and I predict a vast black market if a ban occurs.
We need to unite. Let us not permit our political differences blind us to the things we have in common.

[Blownupdolly]

Yes, I did misunderstand what he meant.

At least Farage is bringing our plight to the forefront, but, yes, would have been better seeing him chugging on a vamo! But no doubt the archived photo of him smoking was the only one this paper could find.

On this point. Why has Nick Clegg not been asked his views? It is well known he is a smoker.

[lobeydosser]

I imagine that most smokers will by now have heard of e-cigs, perhaps even tried them.

However, if they are like the smokers I know, they would need a good reason to change over to e-cigs.

For me it was health reasons and only after being on them for some time, did other reasons become apparent.

People don't usually change just because the can.

I am 10 and a bit months into e-cigs and will be on them for the rest of my life, but if I could buy my old fags for the price I now vape and if my old fags didn't give me the health problems that they used to, then I would be back on them tomorrow. Because good as e-cigs are, they are just not comparable to a real fag.
And that is why, no matter how good we think vaping is, there will always be cigarette smokers around no matter how high the government raise the taxes.

Sure, the vaping community will grow, if the EU lets it, but only because cigarettes do so much harm that people will be forced to look for a safer alternative and vaping fits that bill. But it will hit a ceiling eventually, probably around the 3 or 4 million mark in the UK.
Smokers will always out number vapers and will continue to do so until someone comes out with an e-cig that tastes better than a cigarette.

[Blownupdolly]

I am different to you Lobey. I actually prefer the taste flavour and experience of vaping over fags. The added benefit of smelling a lot nicer and being able to taste my food is a bonus too. I don't think I could ever go back to fags regardless of what happens.

[lobeydosser]

Hi Blownupdolly, I have been trying to stop smoking for 15 years now and although I have succeeded many times, I have never been able to stay stopped.
I managed 18 months the last time.
These days I am realistic enough to know that I am hooked on nicotine.
Now whether that nicotine comes in the form of an e-cig or a cigarette doesn't really matter, as long as I get it.
However to get it at the price, health benefit, annoyance to other people level and the cleanliness of the house level that e-cigs have, well e-cigs will win hands down.
The only downsides for me is the taste and the zing that a cigarette gives me.
Those have yet to be replicated in the e-cig and it is because of the lack of these two factors that stop many smokers changing to E-cigs.
It is also the reason that e-cig users, when they hit a crisis point in their lives, will revert to normal cigarettes for a while before hopefully returning to e-cigs.

I have seen a few folks on here and I have heard of others who "confess" that they have had cigarettes. To me, an ex-smoker having a cigarette in a time of a crisis, or some other special event, is the most natural thing in the world and not something that anyone should feel that they need to "confess".

It is, IMO, wrong for the vaping community, to insist, and our health professionals, to suggest, that because we vape our nicotine rather than smoke it, that we have somehow stopped smoking.
To Joe Public, myself included, if we inhale nicotine by any means, then we are smoking and I am not the slightest surprised when I hear of people complaining when someone starts vaping in an area where smoking is banned.

[neptune]

Lobeydosser. You say that smokers need a good reason to change to e cigs. Personally, in a way, I stopped smoking by accident. I tried an e cig, and whilst it it was not as good as smoking, I felt that it was the nearest thing to smoking I had ever found. However, I had made numerous quit attempts previously, and quit for various periods, including, in one case, three years. So on one level, it could be argued that I wanted to quit. I have no plans to go back to cigarettes, although I have been tempted.
I will agree that for me, vaping is not as good as smoking. You mention the "Zing" factor, that is missing. I agree, and I would say that what this is, is the speed at which the nicotine reaches the brain in a cigarette compared to vaping. I avoid having any cigarettes, as I know if I have just one, I would go back to smoking. I do not judge others who have a different approach.
I consider it likely that there will always be smokers, but believe that the day will come when vapers outnumber smokers.How soon that day comes will depend on how much misguided politicians interfere with progress.

[Blownupdolly]

I must be a weirdo then.

[neptune]

Blownupdolly. Of course you are not a weirdo. I am very happy that your transition to vaping has been painless. The thing is, we are all different, and that does not make anyone better than anyone else. I suspect also that smokers smoke for a variety of reasons, and quitters quit for different reasons. I am a pensioner living on a very low income. To me , the big advantage of quitting is that for the first time, I have money to spend on myself. As I can no longer afford a car, I bike everywhere, and since switching, I can pedal further without fatigue. So all in all, the discomfort of quitting, or switching, has been well worth while.

[Blownupdolly]

Certainly agree with you neptune about the money aspect. Both me and hubby smoked until last October. To this day I am puzzled as to why I constantly have so much money in the bank after bills. Trouble is, being a woman, I have started spending it all on shoes and new clothes
Well, I think I deserve it. Never could afford it when kids were young AND I smoked!

[anathemadevice]

May 23, 2013 10:34:40 GMT Blownupdolly said:

I must be a weirdo then.

Me too. I have only been quit for three weeks, but I would never go back to tobacco. I'd wanted desperately to quit for ages, but somehow I just couldn't. When I received my first e-cig it was like suddenly getting permission to stop smoking and leave the awful things behind me. I haven't missed them one little bit, and far prefer vaping. The psychology of smoking is really complicated IMO and varies from person to person.

If e-cigs ceased to exist tomorrow, I'd be gutted, but I still wouldn't go back to real cigs. Never again