Vape trails TV more harm than good!

[beeman]

I just watched a video on Vape trails TV and in the first few minutes there was a clip that was on Look North News ( I think it was look north)
They were interviewing vapers regarding the EU vote tomorrow and I think from watching this they did a lot more harm than good promoting e cigs.
Looking from the outside in. They sat there swilling pints and producing as much vapour as they could it looked like a 1960s pub tap room nothing but a thick fog.
To a non smoker or smoker there is no way you could look at that and think it was better than smoking.

They would send non smokers running from that pub in fear for there lungs this is not the right way to promote vaping!
www.vapourtrails.tv/?p=7329

[markm]

Perhaps we could all go off to behind the bike sheds for a quick vape?

[charon]

markm
don't encourage them... it's bad enough now that some industries are erecting Vaping Shelters

[markm]

In 1492 Fernando de Jereth, a crew member on Columbuses ship, became the
First European to smoke. Upon his return home to Spain, the inquisition locked
Him up as a fire breathing witch. They did later realise their mistake and let him go.
I suspect that was bothe the first and last time smoking anti changed their minds.
Over the past couple of decades the anti smoking movement realised that
Just telling us we might get cancer was not enough. After all the daily mail
Was happy to tell us everything from the sun down was going to give us all
Cancer. So they had a conference and decided they needed two more legs
To their stool. That was "evil nicotine" and second hand smoke. Dispite no actual
Real science they (there are some dubious statistical concoctions) found that
Simply repeating stuff often gained traction. So now there was a new highly
Visible demon, and a scary mastermind lurking in the background. It made
A great story and easy for us all to understand. It very quickly became impossible
To argue against, they were winning.
Then along come ecigs, we want to turn nasty nic into our friend, we want to
Blow clouds of........oh dear it looks like smoke......but it's not.
Never mind, this can be stamped out easily enough, the groundwork had been done,
They could frighten the masses with the scarysmokeand nic show.

[kibbster]

Oct 7, 2013 23:10:54 GMT beeman said:

I just watched a video on Vape trails TV and in the first few minutes there was a clip that was on Look North News ( I think it was look north)
They were interviewing vapers regarding the EU vote tomorrow and I think from watching this they did a lot more harm than good promoting e cigs.
Looking from the outside in. They sat there swilling pints and producing as much vapour as they could it looked like a 1960s pub tap room nothing but a thick fog.
To a non smoker or smoker there is no way you could look at that and think it was better than smoking.

They would send non smokers running from that pub in fear for there lungs this is not the right way to promote vaping!
www.vapourtrails.tv/?p=7329

"They" are the VTTV team and without them we'd have lost a long time ago.

[beeman]

God help us that's all I can say

[kibbster]

Oct 8, 2013 9:39:27 GMT beeman said:

God help us that's all I can say

The day vapers start inflicting their views on the right and wrong way to vape we are as bad as the ANTZ.
It's an own goal.
People should be free to vape how they want without oppression from others, even if that's cloud chasing.

[beeman]

Oct 8, 2013 9:45:02 GMT kibbster said:

Oct 8, 2013 9:39:27 GMT beeman said:

God help us that's all I can say

The day vapers start inflicting their views on the right and wrong way to vape we are as bad as the ANTZ.
It's an own goal.
People should be free to vape how they want without oppression from others, even if that's cloud chasing.

So lets ram it down everyone's throat. Rights can be taken away at a whim. Look at it from a non smokers view or someone who has no clue what ecigs vapeing is.

If you were sitting next to that bunch what would you do? what would you think? When you could no longer see anything through the thick cloud of fog.

I showed the video clip to someone who is a non smoker to ask them what they thought the response was not good.

and don`t come and say it`s there problem I have the right to vape. remember we had the right to smoke in pubs , clubs , cafes. But we don`t anymore.

The people who vote on these right are the non smokers and people with a financial interest in removing the rights vapers!

[Gary Horder]

remember we had the right to smoke in pubs , clubs , cafes. But we don`t anymore.

Is that not because cigarette smoke is harmful to ones health ?

please attach as much irony into that comment as you wish

[oldsmokey]

I can only speak for myself. For me VTTV has opened my eyes and explained in plain language what is actually going on. I think Dave Dorn and his team have done a brilliant job educating, motivating, mobilising and informing vapers in this country and abroad. If we lose it will not be for want of effort on their part.

[jakethevape]

It has more to do with stripping people of rights full stop. The entire political architecture is constructed on a foundation of fear & control with a dabble of major corruption.

You having a "right" breaks their fundamental "control" pillar.

Surely you can see the modern Nazi image in the EU?, its all gone bonkers

[kibbster]

I don't care what non-smokers think of us to be honest, they don't even have a viewpoint really.
I'm a live and let live person as long as it doesn't affect me then it's non of my business.

We've been fighting for the right to vape for a long time now, not going to get dragged down into another discussion of personal rights and freedoms.

Today is a good day

[jakethevape]

Oct 8, 2013 11:33:45 GMT kibbster said:

I don't care what non-smokers think of us to be honest, they don't even have a viewpoint really.
I'm a live and let live person as long as it doesn't affect me then it's non of my business.

We've been fighting for the right to vape for a long time now, not going to get dragged down into another discussion of personal rights and freedoms.

Today is a good day

Very true and well said.

But [Quote: We've been fighting for the right to vape for a long time now, not going to get dragged down into another discussion of personal rights and freedoms.]

Why do you need to feel dragged down?, there is nothing more precocious than personal rights and freedom. The minuite you give one away it all falls away and it take people with fire in their belly to turn it around.

I know I come across as maybe slightly arrogant with my political view, but I would like to say I am a realist that speaks the truth that people just wont admit to even though they know deep down it is true.

I do not wish to offend people, I do not wish to get peoples backs up all I want is people to start DOING something. Because it is the only thing that we (the public) can do. I will be dammed if I bow down to anyone who thinks they are above me, we are all equal regardless of race, color or creed. It is only the top few who cause the divide and segregation we see today.

You can bet your bottom dollar the ONLY motive for this is monitory, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves into a false sense of security. And that "false security" is the state is doing what is best for us.... They MUST know what they are doing, after all they govern us. Flip it around, because yes they do govern us, but only via the strings pulled from above by corporations and financial institutions. And the financial institutions HEAVILY invest into BigPharma AND BigTobacco. So the E-Cig fight IS the battle of David and Goliath, The people VS the elite.

Today is indeed a good day, because today COULD be the day another person wakes up and ignites the much needed fire & will to stand up for our freedom AND rights.

Peace

[barrynorton]

Oct 8, 2013 10:52:27 GMT jakethevape said:

Surely you can see the modern Nazi image in the EU?, its all gone bonkers

Jesus Christ   #godwin

[jakethevape]

Oct 8, 2013 11:59:57 GMT barrynorton said:

Oct 8, 2013 10:52:27 GMT jakethevape said:

Surely you can see the modern Nazi image in the EU?, its all gone bonkers

Jesus Christ   #godwin

Care to elaborate? [The #godwin = huh?]