BBC Breakfast this morning (Sunday) 07:15-ish

[GunJack]

Semi-positive clip this morning, talking about the new proposed laws on selling fags to under-18s, and the same with e-cigs (which I think most of us would agree with). Had a bloke on from another cancer charity saying e-cigs much safer alternative to tobacco, and when asked about e-cigs a s a gateway to fags, admitted the recent studies didn't back up this fear.

[beeman]

Also saying new ban sales to under 18s

[GunJack]

Jan 26, 2014 7:58:38 GMT beeman said:

Also saying new ban sales to under 18s

...I just said that !!

overall better than expected, and majority of vapers would agree about not selling to under-18s

[Deleted]

He made a good point about the medical profession fearing that ecigs will reverse the trend that has seen smoking decline to an all time low ... they fear that the rise of ecigs will allow "smoking" to be seen as socially acceptable once again.

[GunJack]

Jan 26, 2014 8:13:46 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

He made a good point about the medical profession fearing that ecigs will reverse the trend that has seen smoking decline to an all time low ... they fear that the rise of ecigs will allow "smoking" to be seen as socially acceptable once again.

...an all-time low that has been helped along by the 1.3 million vapers in the country, maybe ?? Wonder if you added 1.3 million back in what that would do to the "all-time low" rate ??

[maccafan]

Yep..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25900542

Dunno how market vendors are affected but a law banning sales to under 18's is positive in the sense that it strengthens the case that existing regulations are robust enough without unnecessary medical licensing.

[barrynorton]

Unfortunately our 'Chief Medical Officer' provides fire for a less-than-positive (or true) DM headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545930/Ban-sale-harmful-e-cigarettes-children-Ministers-launch-crackdown-underage-smoking.html

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2014 8:38:13 GMT GunJack said:

Jan 26, 2014 8:13:46 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

He made a good point about the medical profession fearing that ecigs will reverse the trend that has seen smoking decline to an all time low ... they fear that the rise of ecigs will allow "smoking" to be seen as socially acceptable once again.

...an all-time low that has been helped along by the 1.3 million vapers in the country, maybe ?? Wonder if you added 1.3 million back in what that would do to the "all-time low" rate ??

I think the fear is that if, through ecigs becoming socially acceptable, then all "smoking" will once again become socially acceptable ... The medical fraternity have fought and to a large extent won the war to make tobacco smoking socially unacceptable and they fear that this will be undone. If smoking were to become acceptable once again and be allowed in pubs, work places etc, how many would remain on or even go back to the ciggies  ... this is the horror vision of the medical profession.

[GunJack]

Jan 26, 2014 12:39:49 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

The medical fraternity have fought and to a large extent won the war to make tobacco smoking socially unacceptable and they fear that this will be undone. If smoking were to become acceptable once again and be allowed in pubs, work places etc, how many would remain on or even go back to the ciggies  ... this is the horror vision of the medical profession.

..and that's fair enough, HOWEVER.......

this is VAPING,........ NOT SMOKING and this is the message that we as vapers and the whole e-cig lobby need to educate the public, and institutions about so the message gets across.... IT'S NOT THE SAME !!!


...sorry, rant over

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Jan 26, 2014 12:52:30 GMT GunJack said:

Jan 26, 2014 12:39:49 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

The medical fraternity have fought and to a large extent won the war to make tobacco smoking socially unacceptable and they fear that this will be undone. If smoking were to become acceptable once again and be allowed in pubs, work places etc, how many would remain on or even go back to the ciggies  ... this is the horror vision of the medical profession.

..and that's fair enough, HOWEVER.......

this is VAPING,........ NOT SMOKING and this is the message that we as vapers and the whole e-cig lobby need to educate the public, and institutions about so the message gets across.... IT'S NOT THE SAME !!!


...sorry, rant over

Which is why in the first sentence of my post (the sentence which you omitted in quoting me) I put the word smoking in quotation marks  ....  we all know the difference but for a large percentage of the population if you put something to your lips, inhale and then exhale what looks like smoke then you are smoking. The fact that it looks like smoking is what the medics dislike  ...  perhaps we should find another orifice through which to vape and expel the vapour through that 

[GunJack]

I omitted that line specifically, nothing personal, I just hate the way all these media types keep calling vaping, smoking, IYSWIM. I really feel strongly that the difference ought to be pushed and impressed into the public domain

[lal]

Surely vaping only normalises vaping ?? Or an answer could be to ban cigalikes?

[andym]

I just wish that they would get their facts right before scaremongering and clamouring for a Ban/High Regulation on e cigs.It seems that they only look at "Ciggy lookalikes" rather than Mods and Juices.None have mentioned the Quality Controls that e juice in UK goes through(assuming you get them from a reputable seller),they have no real idea as to what goes into e juices.That said,i wouldnt use an ecig that uses prefilled cartridges as you dont have a clue what does go into them.I may get a bit of flack here but this is MY PERSONAL take.I would like to see a ban on systems that use prefilled cartridges purely on the strength of not knowing whats in the cartridges.Before they rant and carry on about how bad e cigs are they MUST look at Mods and E juices rather than these prefilled jobs that you can get from virtually anywhere where the quality is unknown.Just my thoughts.