EU TPD regs started already - only 10ml bottles juice

[toots]

Just today had an email in from Vapouriz.co.uk who have done away with all their 30ml bottles of juice due to the EU TPD regs coming in.

They actually stated that as their reason. They also quoted about the 2ml tanks allowed and said they've got a new range coming in, so my guess is it will only be 2ml or less tanks.

Boy o boy, it's started already

[Montana]

Have you got a link to these regs, and what are they basing these regs on seeing as NO-ONE has agreed that there is sufficient data to say anything as yet ??

Andy

[fred]

Montana

Here!

[Montana]

Jun 25, 2014 20:58:21 GMT Montana said:

Have you got a link to these regs, and what are they basing these regs on seeing as NO-ONE has agreed that there is sufficient data to say anything as yet ??

EDIT :-   I've found the EU TPD, but I can't really find the relative doc that says about ECigs and the regs for them.

              I certainly haven't found anything regarding bottle size for juice, as this makes no sense at all.I used to go over to Belgium once every 12-18 months and buy tobacco which is by far and away 52-78 times more than a 10 ml bottle would be for me and that is a VERY conservative estimation.

Also In one of the documents I've read it mentions the WHO and they have had letters from both sides of the coin , and surely this needs to be looked at further by them before the EU TPD can inflict restrictions ?

Andy

[fred]

Montana

Start at no 36 in the doc I linked above.

These are the minimum requirements to be implemented by 2016. A country's government can inflict harsher restrictions if they wish.

This was passed through the EU earlier this year and WILL BE LAW unless we capers can get it overturned, either with the EFVI initiative, or it may need to go to court - but as it stands, if nothing is done, as i just said, it will be law in 2016.

Watch back episodes of VTTV

[DiscoDes]

Montana

Jun 25, 2014 20:58:21 GMT Montana said:

]Also In one of the documents I've read it mentions the WHO and they have had letters from both sides of the coin , and surely this needs to be looked at further by them before the EU TPD can inflict restrictions ?

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Unfortunately the European Parliament (EP) pushed the regulations through (headed by UK MEP Linda Macavan) and Member states are obliged to take them up. The fact that the vote was done in an undemocratic way does not mean that they can or will be ignored or can be easily overturned, this is why many of us are urging people to get involved with the EFVI & to lobby their local MP's. Macavan is an accomplished MEP used to getting her own way and ignoring facts brought before her, a major coup by her was to get E-cigs included in the Tobacco Products Directive, most MEP's & MP's are anti tobacco and obviously did not read the full directive and thought they were voting for tighter controls on tobacco not even realising that E-Cigs had been included. Unfortunately to the vast majority of MP's think a E-cig looks like a cigarette and produces toxic smoke.

It's a tough fight, 99% of the British Public are not aware how the EP are making rulings without even engaging the people that the rules affect the most.

[ruffdog]

I just read this and I realise no more 10 packs and no more half oz rolling tobacco. Glad I started vaping when I did.
Must get some nic base and make a better effort to get oh 100% baccy free. I ain't buying her an oz at a time for it to go dry and turn to dust!!!!!! link

[djs]

Jun 25, 2014 20:41:21 GMT toots said:

Just today had an email in from Vapouriz.co.uk who have done away with all their 30ml bottles of juice due to the EU TPD regs coming in.

They actually stated that as their reason. They also quoted about the 2ml tanks allowed and said they've got a new range coming in, so my guess is it will only be 2ml or less tanks.

That is first class boll**** and I would expect nothing more from that bunch of *comments deleted*

They have until 2016 to do this. It's just a decision "skew" their sales to make more money.

I will be buying 30ml for at least another year. 100% sure on that.

(Sorry toots )

[monty]

Jun 25, 2014 20:41:21 GMT toots said:

They actually stated that as their reason. They also quoted about the 2ml tanks allowed and said they've got a new range coming in, so my guess is it will only be 2ml or less tanks.

Thanks for you post Toots.

As I read it the 2ml limit on the size of tanks or cartridges applies specifically to single use, non refillable tanks and cartridges. As far as refillables are concerned I have heard the maximum size is to be 1ml but in the document Fred linked what it says is "...maximum sizes for refill containers, tanks and containers should be set" - from the last part of (38).

Anyone have more information on this?

Also when I tried to cut and paste maximum sizes for refill containers, tanks and containers should be set from the document Fred linked, I found I couldn't select the whole phrase using my cursor which seems decidedly odd. I wonder if somebody else could try just to satisfy my paranoia.

[Deleted]

it says maximum sizes for refill containers, tanks and containers should be set at 2ml

[markm]

Juice bottle sizes are quite frankly the least of our worries.
The directive has many worse points - just these two elements on their own for instance:
tamper proof - that's the end of gen 3 rebuildables
Leak free refilling - suggesting they think there will be some kind of sealed filling system - that's probably the end of gen 2.

Without knowing the finer details then its still speculation - but the whole thing appears to be an attempt by someone who
did know what they were talking about to reduce the market to cigalikes - presented to and agreed by a bunch of people
who had no idea of any of the implications.

[toots]

Jun 25, 2014 22:12:29 GMT djs said:

Jun 25, 2014 20:41:21 GMT toots said:

Just today had an email in from Vapouriz.co.uk who have done away with all their 30ml bottles of juice due to the EU TPD regs coming in.

They actually stated that as their reason. They also quoted about the 2ml tanks allowed and said they've got a new range coming in, so my guess is it will only be 2ml or less tanks.

That is first class boll**** and I would expect nothing more from that bunch of *comments deleted*

They have until 2016 to do this. It's just a decision "skew" their sales to make more money.

I will be buying 30ml for at least another year. 100% sure on that.

(Sorry toots )

To be a little bit fair to this company they are giving their customers a multi-buy option at cheaper prices than paying for just one bottle. And to be honest who orders just one bottle at a time. Anyway this is exactly what their email says:

Due to impending changes in the Tobacco Products directive (TPD), Vapouriz are changing the way we sell electronic cigarette e liquid.

One of the new rules likely to come into effect are “a maximum size for cartridges and for refillable tanks (2ml) as well as for e-liquid bottles (10ml)”.

Crazy we know! This means there will be more packaging going into landfill sites instead!

This means that we will unfortunately no longer be supplying e liquid in 30ml bottles.

However, to keep the costs down for our customers and give you an even better deal, we have launched a new multibuy scheme where you can purchase liquids for as cheap as £2.99, mix and match ANY flavour and ANY strength!

o Buy 1 x 10ml bottle - £4.99

o Buy any 3 x 10ml bottles for £11.99 (£3.99 each)

o Buy any 6 x 10ml bottles £19.99 (£3.33 each)

o Buy 3 x 10ml bottles for £29.99 (£2.99 each) oooops I think their email has a typo and that's supposed to be 10 bottles lol.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE MULTIBUY PAGE

We have three new e cigarette kits being launched next month together with two new ranges of e liquids - stay tuned to our email for all new product news and special offers.

I don't buy off this company anymore but I did start with them, their kit & their liquid got me off the fags.

[toots]

Jun 26, 2014 7:02:48 GMT markm said:

Juice bottle sizes are quite frankly the least of our worries.
The directive has many worse points - just these two elements on their own for instance:
tamper proof - that's the end of gen 3 rebuildables
Leak free refilling - suggesting they think there will be some kind of sealed filling system - that's probably the end of gen 2.

Without knowing the finer details then its still speculation - but the whole thing appears to be an attempt by someone who
did know what they were talking about to reduce the market to cigalikes - presented to and agreed by a bunch of people
who had no idea of any of the implications.

Yes, I do agree that juice bottle sizes are the least of our worries, but I was just pointing out that it has started, ok that's just one company for now, but how many will start to bring in the new regs before 2016.

I wasn't scaremongering, when I received the email I just thought o-oh here we go, it's starting already.

[fred]

Jun 26, 2014 7:02:48 GMT markm said:

Juice bottle sizes are quite frankly the least of our worries.
The directive has many worse points - just these two elements on their own for instance:
tamper proof - that's the end of gen 3 rebuildables
Leak free refilling - suggesting they think there will be some kind of sealed filling system - that's probably the end of gen 2.

Without knowing the finer details then its still speculation - but the whole thing appears to be an attempt by someone who
did know what they were talking about to reduce the market to cigalikes - presented to and agreed by a bunch of people
who had no idea of any of the implications.

And unfortunately, once again, the finer details will be decided by a bunch of backhander-recieving incompetents, behind closed doors.

[markm]

I think it's quite a good way to raise the awareness of the issues.
It got this thread started and I'm sure there are people talking about it all over the web now.