Can anyone help me with these?

[Chrissie]

Got to admit, I'm curious about that as well Bucko.

[Lilac]

I wouldn't say a cartomiser was equal to 20 cigs, never mind 40

but who am i to know ???

[Scylla]

You saved me querying that, too, Bucko

scylla

[vipcig]

Bucko :

Cartomizers are filled by machines.

Liquid nicotine is toxic and even in minute doses can be fatal. It is the stance of VIP, that liquid nicotine and e-liquid should only be handled by those qualified to work with dangerous materials.

Is it really worth taking risks? Just imagine one fatality and how much 'additional' damage would be caused to the industry?

It is understandable forums are full of personal opinons and experiences, but from a corporate, legal, and safety perspective VIP simply do not advocate DIY refilling and do not sell e-liquids.

[Perpetua]

Hello & welcome from me VIP, whilst I do't use any of your products, just like to say I'm quietly impressed on you coming on here to answer questions, many suppliers probably wouldn't.

Have you seen the Government to ban ecigs thread currently running on here? Just curious to know your company's take on it all as I seldom visit other ecig forums because everyone is so friendly & helpful in Chris's group.

[vipcig]

perpetua

This is the only e-cigarette forum I've posted on. There is not enough hours in the day to read posts and participate on every forum

I'm on Kate from Vapersnetwork mailing list and receive her e-mails from time to time about the misguided MHRA.

We have all read the same articles and the outcome appears to have been decided. I don't think there is any need for immediate concern, but some form of regulation long term is inevitable.

[Perpetua]

Well at least you've chosen to post on a most superior forum VIP

There aren't enough hours are there! Have to 'ration' my time spent here else I'd never get any work done.

Thank you for your thoughts on the MHRA situation, makes sense what you say.

[buckowski]

Thanks VIP. I think I'm with you now.

So it's not the re-filling of cartomisers specifically, more the actual use of E-liquid across the board. It's no more dangerous to re-fill a cartomiser than it is to direct drip onto an atomiser.

So that would suggest you would recommend only to use either pre-filled cartomisers / cartridges?

[vipcig]

buckowski :

"So that would suggest you would recommend only to use either pre-filled cartomisers / cartridges?"

Yes, that's right. Without pushing any particular brand and I'm asuming everyone here already knows how carts differ between suppliers, but from a safety aspect, prefilled everytime.

[Chrissie]

Aug 17, 2010 9:31:19 GMT vipcig said:

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Liquid nicotine is toxic and even in minute doses can be fatal.

But e-liquid only has a very small % of liquid nicotine in it.

Aug 17, 2010 13:39:18 GMT vipcig said:

Yes, that's right. Without pushing any particular brand and I'm asuming everyone here already knows how carts differ between suppliers, but from a safety aspect, prefilled everytime.

VIP, I think you might find it interesting, if you can find the time, to join ECF & see what they think about your stance
www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/
Apart from a few newbies on there, I doubt hardly any of the 42,000 members buy prefilled carts. OK some may buy the prefilled cartomisers but they will still refill them with e-liquid. Same for the members of this forum & every other e-cig forum I've come across.

Out of interest, do you use an e-cig & vape regularly yourself?

[vipcig]

Chrissie :

"VIP, I think you might find it interesting, if you can find the time, to join ECF & see what they think about your stance"

I'm an employee and this is the stance of the company. 42,000 members of a board are not accountable should anything untoward happen, but a company is held accountable.

Sadly, we really do not have time to interact on various message boards. No offense intended, but I tend to find monitoring message boards is a full-time job in itself.

As for personal vaping... I first tried e-cigs when I started working for VIP last year. I was in the process of giving up analogs at that time and still smoked on a social basis.

Since then I have compared 3 competitor rechargeable ecigs and sampled 3 other brands of disposable e-cig supplied by our buying guys for research purposes.

I neither smoke analogs or vape anymore, but I have converted a few friends along the way.

[Perpetua]

Please don't take offense at what I'm about to say either VIP, I do appreciate you are an employee of the company and as such this is more of a job than a social pastime to you, but sometimes a bit of interaction can give you a greater understanding of what your customers problems/requirements.

I truly don't mean that to sound patronizing in the slightest, just my personal thought.

Well done you on your own individual achievements and the 'conversion' of friends - very satisfying that.

[Perfectionist]

Aug 17, 2010 9:31:19 GMT vipcig said:

Bucko :

Cartomizers are filled by machines.

Liquid nicotine is toxic and even in minute doses can be fatal. It is the stance of VIP, that liquid nicotine and e-liquid should only be handled by those qualified to work with dangerous materials.

Is it really worth taking risks? Just imagine one fatality and how much 'additional' damage would be caused to the industry?

It is understandable forums are full of personal opinons and experiences, but from a corporate, legal, and safety perspective VIP simply do not advocate DIY refilling and do not sell e-liquids.

Dude, on one hand your "stance" is quite correct and very admirable ...... this issue is one of many "weaknesses" that the enemies of Vaping can/will exploit ...... besides it's far more profitable for your business if people keep buying new carts instead of just refilling them !!

On the other hand Vaping is market driven and most Vapers would much rather whine about Government intervention, than do everything they can to minimise the risk of that Government intervention ...... plus the cost advantage means it is inevitable that most people will be refilling, whether you like it or not !!

Any company that fights against the market is certain to fail ...... so if you're not careful you may be transformed from a VIP to a VUP (Very Unemployed Person !!)

There is a solution however ...... offer your cartridges at a price that is even cheaper than buying juice and refilling !!

While you're at it, think of the environment too by coming up with a new design of cartridge that is bio-degradable ....... that way we don't end up with mountains of little plastic tubes filling up landfills and flouting around the oceans !!