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Post by phtumshk on Aug 2, 2015 19:50:12 GMT
Agree mate, they give no choice but 3cell lipo batteries, so protect the board or guarantee it. They've given the choice for 2 cells batteries now letsavit limits power too 133w Excuse me for butting in but is that 2 cells as in 18650s? or 2 lipos?
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Post by letsavit on Aug 2, 2015 19:53:06 GMT
They've given the choice for 2 cells batteries now letsavit limits power too 133w Excuse me for butting in but is that 2 cells as in 18650s? or 2 lipos? either or mate... Just make sure they're not faulty or the DNA200 protection circuit will blow the board up....
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Post by VapingBad on Aug 2, 2015 20:04:13 GMT
What next want you're car manufacture to cover you for putting petrol in a diesel that is completely crazy, the board is fully protected by any reasonable definition of that term. It has a fuse, connections that prevent a battery being connected incorrectly, buckets of battery management and protection, but you can hold them responsible for mistakes made by the user (including fitting a faulty battery if that is what did it). The 2nd failure may have been avoided if Windows had kept talking to them last week. Luckily they are nice people and going to change them both where most manufactures would just blame the user. I don't know if it was the battery, but would seem likely as 2 boards have gone in the same way and as far as I can see are the only ones out of thousands to do so in this manor. So what does this bucket load of protection do then? Protects the battery to reduce the chances of it venting or flaming on you, looks after it so it last as long as possible, it will find weak cells and other things if the battery is connected properly. This is a circuit board where every connection needs soldering designed to be connected in one configuration using a battery that cannot be incorrectly attached an andreno kit tha has to fit into multiple configurations and will only see a couple of watts of power. As you know I replaces my central heating valves and if I had connected them wrongly would you expect Honeywell to change them?
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Post by VapingBad on Aug 2, 2015 20:06:35 GMT
Excuse me for butting in but is that 2 cells as in 18650s? or 2 lipos? either or mate... Just make sure they're not faulty or the DNA200 protection circuit will blow the board up.... They are working on protections modules for 2 & 3 cell configurations as it is possible for the end user to put them in the wrong way unlike working LiPo packs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 20:25:37 GMT
Agree mate, they give no choice but 3cell lipo batteries, so protect the board or guarantee it. What next want you're car manufacture to cover you for putting petrol in a diesel that is completely crazy, the board is fully protected by any reasonable definition of that term. It has a fuse, connections that prevent a battery being connected incorrectly, buckets of battery management and protection, but you can hold them responsible for mistakes made by the user (including fitting a faulty battery if that is what did it). The 2nd failure may have been avoided if Windows had kept talking to them last week. Luckily they are nice people and going to change them both where most manufactures would just blame the user. I don't know if it was the battery, but would seem likely as 2 boards have gone in the same way and as far as I can see are the only ones out of thousands to do so in this manor. Unfortunately i didnt have time to keep talking to them in a long drawn out conversation. Things sort of got in the way, work, family, a life etc. I also didnt expect a brand new battery to be the cause of the problem. I thought i had a faulty board so therefore i moved onto a second one. If is a big word and hindsight a wonderful thing.
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Post by letsavit on Aug 2, 2015 20:35:00 GMT
So what does this bucket load of protection do then? Protects the battery to reduce the chances of it venting or flaming on you, looks after it so it last as long as possible, it will find weak cells and other things if the battery is connected properly. This is a circuit board where every connection needs soldering designed to be connected in one configuration using a battery that cannot be incorrectly attached an andreno kit tha has to fit into multiple configurations and will only see a couple of watts of power. As you know I replaces my central heating valves and if I had connected them wrongly would you expect Honeywell to change them? your analogy, car fuel, it's more like a faulty car battery taking out your ECM, it wouldn't. Windows has purchased a recommended 3c lipo battery, it has taken a board out, they should replace. IMHO.
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Post by VapingBad on Aug 2, 2015 20:46:57 GMT
What next want you're car manufacture to cover you for putting petrol in a diesel that is completely crazy, the board is fully protected by any reasonable definition of that term. It has a fuse, connections that prevent a battery being connected incorrectly, buckets of battery management and protection, but you can hold them responsible for mistakes made by the user (including fitting a faulty battery if that is what did it). The 2nd failure may have been avoided if Windows had kept talking to them last week. Luckily they are nice people and going to change them both where most manufactures would just blame the user. I don't know if it was the battery, but would seem likely as 2 boards have gone in the same way and as far as I can see are the only ones out of thousands to do so in this manor. Unfortunately i didnt have time to keep talking to them in a long drawn out conversation. Things sort of got in the way, work, family, a life etc. I also didnt expect a brand new battery to be the cause of the problem. I thought i had a faulty board so therefore i moved onto a second one. If is a big word and hindsight a wonderful thing. I do feel for you, but these are components, if you got a voltage regulator and a transformer from different companies and the transformer blew the the regulator the regulator company would call it user error. That may come over as harsh, I don't mean it to be and it is reasonable to expect the battery to be correct, but it is beyond their control.
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Post by VapingBad on Aug 2, 2015 20:59:50 GMT
Protects the battery to reduce the chances of it venting or flaming on you, looks after it so it last as long as possible, it will find weak cells and other things if the battery is connected properly. This is a circuit board where every connection needs soldering designed to be connected in one configuration using a battery that cannot be incorrectly attached an andreno kit tha has to fit into multiple configurations and will only see a couple of watts of power. As you know I replaces my central heating valves and if I had connected them wrongly would you expect Honeywell to change them? your analogy, car fuel, it's more like a faulty car battery taking out your ECM, it wouldn't. Windows has purchased a recommended 3c lipo battery, it has taken a board out, they should replace. IMHO. Completely wrong IMO the fuel is a much closer analogy to this situation from what has been said the best guess is the internal battery connections are wrong so in effect the board has been wired incorrectly and almost every other manufacturer would say user error not covered by warranty. Look at the mods being sold they are stating "no user serviceable parts". And Evolv have not recommended Turngy Nano-Tech batteries I don't know where that came form, they did say 1/7/15 the got 10 and to test and 2 had one cell installed backwards link. It's not @windows fault the battery was like that any more than it was Evolvs, these are electronic components not retail devices and require the integrator to ensure the application confirms with the data sheet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 21:01:31 GMT
Unfortunately i didnt have time to keep talking to them in a long drawn out conversation. Things sort of got in the way, work, family, a life etc. I also didnt expect a brand new battery to be the cause of the problem. I thought i had a faulty board so therefore i moved onto a second one. If is a big word and hindsight a wonderful thing. I do feel for you, but these are components, if you got a voltage regulator and a transformer from different companies and the transformer blew the the regulator the regulator company would call it user error. That may come over as harsh, I don't mean it to be and it is reasonable to expect the battery to be correct, but it is beyond their control. Ive never said its evolv's fault if anything its probably going to turn out to be Turnigy. I only started this thread as a heads up to others not assume that a brand new qc battery is fault free so invest in a checker. As the battery when connected to the first board registered correctly in every respect in Escribe apart from showing no charge from the usb it was a natural assumption that the board had a faulty charging circuit, not that it was the battery that did the damage. Im only sending the boards back to Evolv because they are replacing customers boards regardless of how the damage was caused. I think this is due to the fact they are trying to avoid another dna40 gate. If i can blag replacement boards then why not, im sure their profit margins wont notice too much.
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Post by VapingBad on Aug 2, 2015 21:18:07 GMT
I do feel for you, but these are components, if you got a voltage regulator and a transformer from different companies and the transformer blew the the regulator the regulator company would call it user error. That may come over as harsh, I don't mean it to be and it is reasonable to expect the battery to be correct, but it is beyond their control. Ive never said its evolv's fault if anything its probably going to turn out to be Turnigy. I only started this thread as a heads up to others not assume that a brand new qc battery is fault free so invest in a checker. As the battery when connected to the first board registered correctly in every respect in Escribe apart from showing no charge from the usb it was a natural assumption that the board had a faulty charging circuit, not that it was the battery that did the damage. Im only sending the boards back to Evolv because they are replacing customers boards regardless of how the damage was caused. I think this is due to the fact they are trying to avoid another dna40 gate. If i can blag replacement boards then why not, im sure their profit margins wont notice too much. I know you didn't, but most of the comments on the thread are about Evolv not Turnigy. For what I have seen nothing new about them replacing board like this, last month I was trying to help a guy in the stated replace his DNA40 screen and he killed the board, they changed it even though he told then he broke it. I beat's me why people are so sceptical about them, sure they are not perfect and neither are all their products, but on the whole they have moved vaping forward, give value for money and great customer service.
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Post by letsavit on Aug 2, 2015 21:22:49 GMT
your analogy, car fuel, it's more like a faulty car battery taking out your ECM, it wouldn't. Windows has purchased a recommended 3c lipo battery, it has taken a board out, they should replace. IMHO. Completely wrong IMO the fuel is a much closer analogy to this situation from what has been said the best guess is the internal battery connections are wrong so in effect the board has been wired incorrectly and almost every other manufacturer would say user error not covered by warranty. Look at the mods being sold they are stating "no user serviceable parts". And Evolv have not recommended Turngy Nano-Tech batteries I don't know where that came form, they did say 1/7/15 the got 10 and to test and 2 had one cell installed backwards link. It's not @windows fault the battery was like that any more than it was Evolvs, these are electronic components not retail devices and require the integrator to ensure the application confirms with the data sheet. Fuel? Windows has plugged in a 3 cell lipo, not a banana.....Turngy is mentioned in ever other post it that thread.... So great an expensive mod with 160 watts more than I need and when the battery dies I got pay someone to change it.... £20 Istick I can throw in the bin or an 18650 mod which won't blow up with a tried and tested battery for vaping. What do they recommend? Or they just putting another board out there and getting free feedback once again....hence my view they should support early adopters of this board they charge for. It's business, thier reputation, not a favour..IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 21:26:57 GMT
Anways guys ive said all im going to say on this subject. Get a battery checker don't learn the hard way like me
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Post by letsavit on Aug 2, 2015 21:29:42 GMT
Anways guys ive said all im going to say on this subject. Get a battery checker don't learn the hard way like me Is the it wrong time to ask when my ones going be finished....?. Edit: I'm done too VapingBad AKA Evolv fan boy....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 21:39:57 GMT
Anways guys ive said all im going to say on this subject. Get a battery checker don't learn the hard way like me Is the it wrong time to ask when my ones going be finished....?. Edit: I'm done too VapingBad AKA Evolv fan boy.... Hold your horses mate i haven't even taken delivery of the boxes yet. Italian post only works till midday at this time of year and what with a few hundred England fans getting in the way at Calais its sort of holding things up a bit lol.
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Post by VapingBad on Aug 2, 2015 21:42:14 GMT
Completely wrong IMO the fuel is a much closer analogy to this situation from what has been said the best guess is the internal battery connections are wrong so in effect the board has been wired incorrectly and almost every other manufacturer would say user error not covered by warranty. Look at the mods being sold they are stating "no user serviceable parts". And Evolv have not recommended Turngy Nano-Tech batteries I don't know where that came form, they did say 1/7/15 the got 10 and to test and 2 had one cell installed backwards link. It's not @windows fault the battery was like that any more than it was Evolvs, these are electronic components not retail devices and require the integrator to ensure the application confirms with the data sheet. Fuel? Windows has plugged in a 3 cell lipo, not a banana.....Turngy is mentioned in ever other post it that thread.... So great an expensive mod with 160 watts more than I need and when the battery dies I got pay someone to change it.... £20 Istick I can throw in the bin or an 18650 mod which won't blow up with a tried and tested battery for vaping. What do they recommend? Or they just putting another board out there and getting free feedback once again....hence my view they should support early adopters of this board they charge for. It's business, thier reputation, not a favour..IMO. The point is an external component that was outside the specifications was connected, it appeared to be the right thing, but wasn't. I completely disagree that it is the responsibility of the board to prevent that. Nothing is bomb proof, but there is a limit to what is reasonable to protect against and IMO a battery that is wrongly connected is to much given the size and power level having FET switches on the connections would just make a much more expensive large board for something that is outside the spec. Is is up to you what you buy.
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