Nicotine.....Don't panic

[Deleted]

I posted this in a thread a little while ago.....but it deserves it's own thread where it's seen.

From Facebook...............

Hi Guys n Gals, Not sure if anyone has written a post similar to this before my time, if so apologies. I have just spoken to Nick about Nic (Nick at Lubrisolve) . Lubrisolve will be selling Nic after May 2016. It is fully certified as is their vg and pg, if anyone wants to see a copy of certifications they are welcome to request these off Lubrisolve. Nick has given his blessing for this post to be written. Happy days, so no need to fill freezer with Nicotine!!

So....no problems with getting nicotine.....no matter what happens with the TPD 

[Greigster]

Will this not breach the "over 20mg rule" or does this liquid conform to med regs?

[phatfil]

good to hear I too fully intend to practice civil disobedience in this area and i urge all vapours to also consider 'business as usual post spring 2016..

I pledge a tenner now to the first defence fund that comes to my attention for a TPD related prosecution/fine.. (in the UK)

[VapingBad]

Also it is cheaper to phone and order with cc payment than on eBay, just put .co.uk after their name to get their contact details.

E: obvious for nic as no go on eBay, but for PG, VG, IPA Etc.

[letsavit]

Athough this reads as good news I don't know Nick or about certificates now or required in the future so will stick to the freezer for a while.

[Deleted]

I posted this in the other thread - probably better here. The Final law has not been written yet.

We will have to wait for the final drafts - but I wouldn't be that confident, the final wording has not been ratified. The current wording is:

(a) nicotine-containing liquid is only placed on the market in dedicated refill containers not exceeding a volume of 10 ml, in disposable electronic cigarettes or in single use cartridges and that the cartridges or tanks do not exceed a volume of 2 ml;

(b) the nicotine-containing liquid does not contain nicotine in excess of 20 mg/ml;

That could easily be interpreted to include nic base sales to the general public

I am pretty sure in Holland (and possibly France? ) there are already restrictions on Nic base.

The issue is that article 20 doesn't not specifically mention nic base, nor does it mention mods, nor does it mention drippers (no tank). It is currently an illiberal and badly written law; written by people that think an e-cig is either a cigalike or an ego. But don't worry I am sure Big Pharma (the real beneficiaries of the law) will educate Brussels at the right time.

Nick

[cigeliquid]

Nov 16, 2015 23:09:59 GMT @kopiert said:

I posted this in the other thread - probably better here. The Final law has not been written yet.

We will have to wait for the final drafts - but I wouldn't be that confident, the final wording has not been ratified. The current wording is:

(a) nicotine-containing liquid is only placed on the market in dedicated refill containers not exceeding a volume of 10 ml, in disposable electronic cigarettes or in single use cartridges and that the cartridges or tanks do not exceed a volume of 2 ml;

(b) the nicotine-containing liquid does not contain nicotine in excess of 20 mg/ml;

That could easily be interpreted to include nic base sales to the general public

I am pretty sure in Holland (and possibly France? ) there are already restrictions on Nic base.

The issue is that article 20 doesn't not specifically mention nic base, nor does it mention mods, nor does it mention drippers (no tank). It is currently an illiberal and badly written law; written by people that think an e-cig is either a cigalike or an ego. But don't worry I am sure Big Pharma (the real beneficiaries of the law) will educate Brussels at the right time.

Nick

Unfortunately Article 20 is a great catch all.
Nic Base is a nicotine containing liquid that will only be available as 10ml bottles at a max strength of 20mg.
As far as any changes to article 20 go - one of the main aims was to end up with a format that can be taxed across all the EU member states - High strength Nicotine DIY base does not fit in with this plan -they will not be making changes.
With luck the deadline will be May 2017 rather than May 2016

[DiscoDes]

BARGAIN

The bottles once empty are great too, probably worth a pound or two on their own.

GeoffUK



OOPS! posted in the WRONG THREAD! - DOH!

[smarties]

Must be me being thick but I'm confused, so will nice Base be available after may next year in large quantities at 72mg or will it be restricted to 10ml at 20mg?

[GeoffUK]

Nov 17, 2015 14:04:23 GMT DiscoDes said:

BARGAIN

The bottles once empty are great too, probably worth a pound or two on their own.

DiscoDes have you got a link to this bargain?

[DiscoDes]

Nov 17, 2015 14:47:45 GMT GeoffUK said:

Nov 17, 2015 14:04:23 GMT DiscoDes said:

BARGAIN

The bottles once empty are great too, probably worth a pound or two on their own.

DiscoDes have you got a link to this bargain?

My comment should have been posted in THIS thread : allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/post/1026838

Sorry.

[Richard46]

Nov 17, 2015 14:43:54 GMT smarties said:

Must be me being thick but I'm confused, so will nice Base be available after may next year in large quantities at 72mg or will it be restricted to 10ml at 20mg?

I don't see how Nic base can be legally available over 20mg/ml or in containers larger than 10ml after May 2017. My reading is that people supplying stronger nic and in larger containers before May 2016 (or it might be November) can carry on trading it until May 2017.

New traders cannot start supplying stronger/larger products after May 2016.

Other interpretations are available.

[cigeliquid]

Nov 17, 2015 14:43:54 GMT smarties said:

Must be me being thick but I'm confused, so will nice Base be available after may next year in large quantities at 72mg or will it be restricted to 10ml at 20mg?

If things go well nicotine containing liquids including 72mg will remain on the market till May 2017

At this point in time we are waiting on the results of a consultation document ( no doubt it will be published on or around the beginning of May 2016)

Ref: Consultation on implementation of the revised Tobacco Products Directive (2014/40/EU)

Q23 Should retailers and importers be given the proposed transition period until May 2017 to sell through old stock?

As the government is seeking guidance from all interested parties the extension from May 2016 till May 2017 is far from set in stone.
A number of interested parties might very much like to see May 2016 as the cut off date.

[VapingBad]

Nov 16, 2015 23:06:33 GMT VapingBad said:

Also it is cheaper to phone and order with cc payment than on eBay, just put .co.uk after their name to get their contact details.

E: obvious for nic as no go on eBay, but for PG, VG, IPA Etc.

My first phone order has not gone well, charger 45% more than I expected, I am waiting to hear from Lubrisolve so it is just a mistake, though I had to remind them to send the invoice a day after I paid, I would be angry if they didn't have a good reputation and hope they live up to it.