adding .72 nic to dragons rise campfire custard 0mg

[ragjoy]

ive had delivered 4 x 120 ml of 0mg campfire custard.
is there a recommended simple calculator telling how much 72mg nic to add to create a 16mg mix, i may cut this down a bit, been at 16mg for well over a year cutting from 24mg, i vape at that strength as i use Innokin Endura T18 Coil Heads at 9 watts so its not a heavy vape creator, i just added this as i know many of you guys are at 3mg or similar.

on a note ref dragons rise:
i ordered 4 x 120ml.
the juice arrived 10 days late, so 2 weeks from ordering, i also paid the small amount extra for a quick delivery.
i contacted them numerous times about it not arriving, eventually, i got an email from simon stating it had been returned for some reason and it would go out on the monday (a bank holiday) and there would be a free bottle as compensation.
eventually it arrived (no extra bottle) on measuring the first bottle, as i was about to attempt to start adding the nic i found that there was just over a 100ml, i supplied dragons rise with photos of the classroom type chemistry measuring vessel, i used the internal messaging, email and the phone number supplied, ring and by text but got no reply at all, ive now gone through paypal as i simply cant get no response from them.
ive used campfire custard for around 18mths and ive just ran out of my 16mg supply that id ordered prior to the nic ban.
i doubt i will be using dragons rise again, this is not the first issue ive had supply issues with them but i enjoy the juice so i had persevered but this really has p***ed me off, not them getting it wrong but the fact they wont reply to any contact thats made.
if im 80ml ish short i could have finished up with an over-strong mix if i had added enough nic to create a 16mg final mix, to what would be assumed to be 480ml.

[Postmodern Smoking]

From my understanding 120ml is bottle size, not liquid amount, which will be 100ml. (Their site says that if you order a 60ml bottle that you will receive 50ml liquid).

Adding 28.6ml of 72mg/ml nic to 100ml of 0nic will give you 16mg/ml strength. .... but I guess that is more than your bottle capacity.



If adding 20ml of 72mg/ml nic to 100ml of 0nic will give you 12mg/ml strength

To calculate this I used ejuice me up calculator tool "nic combine" and trial and error, adjusting the amount of 72mg/ml nic to give 16mg/ml e-liquid

[MrDJ]

i know the feeling mate. i gave up on them ages ago. ive still got about 150ml left but wont be ordering more. the forums helped build that company with all the advise we gave him. luckily ive only had 1 bad 150ml bottle that was rank out of about 3 or 4 litres ive bought over the years. i was promised a replacement as well as his other halfs company which had 300ml that wasnt vapable and i never received any.
hes now opened a high street shop somewhere and you would of though by now they would have sorted out their cositency and bottling procedures a bit better.

anyway ive never used 72% (7.2) so can someone confirm if this calculation is right for 16mg using 7.2
vapinghardware.com/calculators/nicotine-shot-shortfill-calculator/

[Postmodern Smoking]

I believe that there is a slight 'error'/difference in your shortfill calculation MrDJ . I think that it assumes that the total volume made is only 120ml, which means that some (6.67ml) of the 100ml zero nic is removed prior to adding 26.67ml of 7.2% nic.

Selecting "nicshot" on the calculator gives the same result as ejuice me up:

[ragjoy]

thanks guys,
firstly the order is/was 100% for 4 x 120ml, honestly its not a misread, its on the invoice (see bottom).
those bottles, i believe are so you can add nic shots, if you dont buy the nic then they should be a full 120ml
maybe thats where the error has arose and the have assumed i was adding there nic shots.
maybe ive got it wrong but it doesnt read that way to me.

i think what i will do is empty all bottles into the measuring vessel and see exactly what i have, then use ejuice me up and calculate, that way the whole batch will be the same.
thanks for the help.

Description Unit price Qty Amount
Campfire Custard Nicotine:0MG | Bottle Size:120ml
£13.00 GBP 4 £52.00 GBP
discount
-£26.00 GBP 1 -£26.00 GBP
Subtotal £26.00 GBP
Postage and packaging £4.40 GBP
Total £30.40 GBP
Payment £30.40 GBP

[ragjoy]

just re read the the site and you may well be right about the amounts
i think it can be read both ways, too me it read 120ml per bottle or if you have nic shots it will be 100, albeit there using the 60ml bottle in the description, see below.


As the nicotine has to be sold separately, you will receive 50ml in a 60ml bottle of juice and one 10ml TPD compliant nicotine shot which you will need to add yourself. This will make the eLiquid 3mg. If you want 6mg this will be 40ml in a 60ml bottle of juice and two TPD compliant nicotine shots.

VG/PG ratio is 70/30. We are able to change the ratio to suit your needs, please leave a note on your order telling us if you require a different ratio.
Estimated steep time for this flavour is 14days
please note it may be more or less depending on how you like it.

[MrDJ]

it will only be 100ml in the 120ml bottle as they like most other places are sold as shortfills so there is still enough room for nicotine shots. its a grey area as if you was on zero nic you would only get 100ml and not 120ml as advertised.

[ragjoy]

These are the first bottles I've bought since the changes.
I really don't see how I would know that I'm not getting 120ml it doesn't state it as far as I can see on the site.
Too be pedantic, if it said 500ml I wouldn't expect 100ml, I'd expect 500ml.
My thoughts were if I wanted shots I would get 120ml total whatever amount of nic shots I bought, so with no nic I just assumed I'd get 120ml.
If this had been explained when I made one of around 6 queries then I would probably just accepted it but they can't even be bothered to reply.
Overall I think its very misleading and trading standards wouldn't allow it to be sold this way.
On a brighter note there was exactly 400ml and I added 80ml of 72mg nic creating 12mg strength, thought I'd try to cut the nic down a bit more.
Thanks for your input mrdj, appreciated.

Sept 13, 2018 15:45:10 GMT MrDJ said:

it will only be 100ml in the 120ml bottle as they like most other places are sold as shortfills so there is still enough room for nicotine shots. its a grey area as if you was on zero nic you would only get 100ml and not 120ml as advertised.

[ghostrider1971]

Bought from them once - absolutely horrific juice - sent it back - would never order again....

[MrDJ]

Sept 13, 2018 16:44:03 GMT ragjoy said:

These are the first bottles I've bought since the changes.
I really don't see how I would know that I'm not getting 120ml it doesn't state it as far as I can see on the site.
Too be pedantic, if it said 500ml I wouldn't expect 100ml, I'd expect 500ml.
My thoughts were if I wanted shots I would get 120ml total whatever amount of nic shots I bought, so with no nic I just assumed I'd get 120ml.
If this had been explained when I made one of around 6 queries then I would probably just accepted it but they can't even be bothered to reply.
Overall I think its very misleading and trading standards wouldn't allow it to be sold this way.
On a brighter note there was exactly 400ml and I added 80ml of 72mg nic creating 12mg strength, thought I'd try to cut the nic down a bit more.
Thanks for your input mrdj, appreciated.

as you said a simple explanation from them would help but they have been like this since they started. the easiest way to get a reply is if your on facebook. emails were never answered and this goes back almost 18 months - 2 years.

tbh though most sites that sell shortfills dont fully explain it. buy a 50ml in a 60ml bottle so enough room for one nic shot. if you dont want nic then you still only get 50ml.

the only site that i can remember was Lee from Dripworx (before he sold it). if you asked for 6mg he would only add 40ml juice but at a slightly stronger flavour so adding 20ml nic would leave the same flavour as if it was 50ml at 3mg.

Bought from them once - absolutely horrific juice - sent it back - would never order again....

apart from the campfire custard i totally agree with you ghostrider.

i tried 9 of their other flavours and they were all rank and 450ml went down the sink.

[Richard46]

I must be missing something but if one can source 72mg/ml nic why buy shortfills at all? It just complicates mixing.

[ragjoy]

Sept 13, 2018 18:26:23 GMT Richard46 said:

I must be missing something but if one can source 72mg/ml nic why buy shortfills at all? It just complicates mixing.

i just bought 0mg juice, so could add my own nic.

[Richard46]

Sept 13, 2018 18:32:23 GMT ragjoy said:

Sept 13, 2018 18:26:23 GMT Richard46 said:

I must be missing something but if one can source 72mg/ml nic why buy shortfills at all? It just complicates mixing.

i just bought 0mg juice, so could add my own nic.

OK but once you have sorted this out; and if you still have a supply of 72 my advice is buy VG and PG and concentrates and mix your own properly.

Shortfills have only appeared because 72mg/ml is no longer legal to sell seems daft to buy them if 72 is available.

[ragjoy]

Sept 13, 2018 18:49:03 GMT Richard46 said:

Sept 13, 2018 18:32:23 GMT ragjoy said:

i just bought 0mg juice, so could add my own nic.

OK but once you have sorted this out; and if you still have a supply of 72 my advice is buy VG and PG and concentrates and mix your own properly.

Shortfills have only appeared because 72mg/ml is no longer legal to sell seems daft to buy them if 72 is available.

ive done that in the past, which is why im holding 2.5 ltrs of nic but i really like campfire custard, it was cheap every time ive stocked up with it, maybe not as cheap as diy,
i still have 300ml of old stock and now another 480ml.
i do intend to start mixing more seriously.
as for shortfills id never even heard of them till a few days ago, for me i was just buying 0mg juice.