Not to sound rude but

[Dream (s)]

I get so frustrated with vaping sometimes. The vendors really do confuse me with their pricing of items and Juices they sell.

One vendor will sell for ex amount and the other for another and sometimes you see them knock the price down right low! All that crosses my mind is quality why, how and how do they manage to sell so cheap?

That's one reason why I started mixing my own Juice, cos it confused me so much and made me wonder about the quality (it's very important whats been put in the ingredients cos we are vaping it) So, if they are made with the same ingredients then why such a huge difference in pricing?

One vendour will sell their Juice for £5.00 for 10ml and then another a 20ml at a similar price...I wish one of the vendors could explain why?

My Rant over

[steve386]

It all depends on the e-liquid and how each vendor buys / makes it.

Take the liquids I sell, I buy them pre-bottled by Decadent Vapours and pay more for them to do that. This limits what I can do regarding pricing.

I could buy it in bulk containers from them and bottle / label it myself. Decadent Vapours do not provide any after sales backup on doing this and it is then not covered by their batch testing. Obviously they could not guarantee that there were no impurities or changes made during external bottling.

If I wanted to make it even cheaper, I could buy the Decadent Vapours flavours then mix it myself and sell it.

I buy it in bulk from them for my own use because I get through quite a bit and would not have any stock left. There is nothing quite like having a 500ml bottle of Mentholyptus sat on the desk

[Dream (s)]

Steve, your prices are reasonable, but I've seen and a relative has bought 30ml juices for £6.00
Now, that is what makes me wonder why? You think they buy in bulk, but that is way to cheap, as for making it yourself, well the vendors which I have seen that do, do not sell it as cheap as they spend time and effort creating the mixture. Now thats why I get confused and it makes me wonder why?

[VE Jason]

It's more to do with overheads and VAT.

The larger the business the more overheads and of course the VAT is included @ 20%.

Products are often sold at a loss (such as some kits), so that would explain large price differences.

[Dream (s)]

But, the quality is the same? Just wondering As in the Juices?

[VE Jason]

I suppose it depends on how we define quality.

For standard liquids, such as Dekang, Hangsen etc - they should be the same, although they may vary in PG/VG ratio from vendor to vendor because we specify our own ratio's.

For Premium liquids, such as Grizwald's - they cost more because they are prepared in the UK, with more expensive flavourings and again have the overheads attached, such as mixing facilities, prep area's, insurances etc.

[Dream (s)]

Thankyou Jason for the info, I understand your pricing and quality of goods regarding your business and I must say, Hubby is still using his Riva I purchased from you with no problems, but still not sure about some other vendors. Oh well, I don't buy from them anyway. I was just wondering!

[Fog On The Tyne Ltd]

The price of e-liquid doesn't necessarily reflect its quality.

The quality is determined by the ingredients (and the source of those ingredients), the conditions under which it was made, the technology used to create it, the expertise of the manufacturers and the qualifications of the research and development team.

The price is just the price. A figure the vendor has put on it.

Low quality and high quality e-liquid can both be sold for either low or high prices. Efficiency has a lot more to do with the price than quality.

[Dream (s)]

But I assume the ones which are made under these circumstances: with good quality ingredients which is required for e Liquid, under the right conditions, with good technology used to create it, with the expertise of the manufacturers and qualifications of the research and development team.

Would not sell it at a very low price am I right in thinking so? This is what I'm trying to understand regarding the 30ml bottles being sold at a very very low price.

[OneDay]

Dream this is a difficult question, and one of the reasons there are calls for regulation. I know that some vendors will price certain items as loss leaders, as Jason mentioned with regard to starter kits. There are also obviously genuine sales and specials, e.g. the VapourJuice one-hour-madness codes. As a general rule I tend to believe that you get what you pay for in this life and so I stick to a small(ish) list of vendors I trust even if their prices are a little higher than the rock-bottom ones

[Fog On The Tyne Ltd]

Aug 16, 2012 13:54:45 GMT Dream (s) said:

But I assume the ones which are made under these circumstances: with good quality ingredients which is required for e Liquid, under the right conditions, with good technology used to create it, with the expertise of the manufacturers and qualifications of the research and development team.

Would not sell it at a very low price am I right in thinking so? This is what I'm trying to understand regarding the 30ml bottles being sold at a very very low price.

It really depends on how much they're making. Better to sell vast quantities for minimal profit than tiny amounts with a 1000% mark up.

Look at petrol for example, and the huge amount of effort that goes into turning crude oil into useable, refined petrol. Surveying, bidding for exploration rights, deep sea drilling, construction of huge oil refineries, mass transportation by sea and land. At the end of all that, they sell the petrol for 60p a litre (when you exlude duty). That doesn't mean BP is selling inferior fuel to what Mr X makes in his garage using chip fat and ethanol.

As for 30ml bottles, the packaging is more efficient so it can be sold for less per ml.

[steve386]

Aug 16, 2012 13:16:58 GMT VE Jason said:

For Premium liquids, such as Grizwald's - they cost more because they are prepared in the UK, with more expensive flavourings and again have the overheads attached, such as mixing facilities, prep area's, insurances etc.

I thought it was a dark cellar and the occasional candle for Griz

[Dream (s)]

Aug 16, 2012 14:07:56 GMT OneDay said:

Dream this is a difficult question, and one of the reasons there are calls for regulation. I know that some vendors will price certain items as loss leaders, as Jason mentioned with regard to starter kits. There are also obviously genuine sales and specials, e.g. the VapourJuice one-hour-madness codes. As a general rule I tend to believe that you get what you pay for in this life and so I stick to a small(ish) list of vendors I trust even if their prices are a little higher than the rock-bottom ones

I totally agree with you! and as you say "one reason there are calls for regulations"

[jayjay]

Id love to see a vendor list ALL the ingredients they use in an eliquid. At the mo there is no regulation so they can say what they want or dont want. But wouldn't it be a good idea if someone took the bull by the horns. I shall predominatley only using organic e liquid from now on because thats important to me. Do I know its organic. No. a alot comes down to trust I guess. As for cheap eliqiud, I think that sometimes vendors have bills to pay and sharpish so look to generate income quick maybe.

[bennyboy]

I'm sticking with the Dekang Silver Labels at the moment. I'm very new to this game and don't know enough about the different ingredients in liquids. I read up on Dekang and like what I found.