penelope help.

[OneDay]

Aug 30, 2012 20:22:27 GMT Perpetua said:

OneDay had a go and ended up with the crimps pinging out of the tweezers . . . he did offer them on, don't know if he has though Raggy.

I guess it depends upon how dexterous your manly digits are?

They were tiny, absolutely miniscule. I passed them on to Gordy but I haven't heard how he got on. Not a solution for us visually challenged folk I fear.

As for soldering, the ready wires are soldered. I read somewhere the other day about someone making the ends of their res and no res into little hooks, hooking them together and using a tiny blob of solder on the joint.

[blakey]

Don't forget though raggy, when you first make a coil for penelope it takes a little while to bed in and for the full flavour to come through, anywhere from 30mins to an hour.
You'll get there mate, Penelope is a seriously good rebuildable attie and boges really can't hold a candle to it when it's working right

[esmecullen]

Raggy

Just keep trying................... you can do it, I should know I had such a time of it, but the end result is so worth it

I did try the little crimps, they're ok............. but very fiddly and I did swear a lot when trying to thread lol, I've only tried them once............... I've now found out that if I take it easy and not rush things, I can get a good working coil made up................ it may take me more than one go, but I get there in the end!

I got the mini crimping pliers and find that they do help when twisting the ends, I use tweezers on the joins to make sure that it is as flat as I can get them

Its a learning curve Raggy, and I'm sure that if a doofus like me can get her up and running, you can

[ragjoy]

thanks esme,
rearding wrapping the res around the wick i read somewhere not to do it to tight, this is much of the problem i can get it real neat but im concerned that its too tight.
is there any pics anyone has seen of a comparison pics of too tight and i assume too loose.

raggy.........

[bluemagnum]

Best I can describe it Raggy is touching but not squashing, biting into the wick.

[ragjoy]

Aug 31, 2012 8:33:50 GMT bluemagnum said:

Best I can describe it Raggy is touching but not squashing, biting into the wick.

thanks blue,
thats where im struggling i think, with the tension.

i also find that doing just the twist may not look quite as neat visually as twist and flatten against the non res then wrap with the non res, but it is easier to manage on the wick.
does anyone bother with the second method?.

raggy...........

[esmecullen]

Aug 31, 2012 8:29:00 GMT ragjoy said:

thanks esme,
rearding wrapping the res around the wick i read somewhere not to do it to tight, this is much of the problem i can get it real neat but im concerned that its too tight.
is there any pics anyone has seen of a comparison pics of too tight and i assume too loose.

raggy.........

Yes that right raggy............. dont wind it too tight! I dont know of any pics that you could use as a comaprison, but I'm sure someone will know of any if they are about.

I know some people use a needle to lay against the wick when they are coiling the wire, then pulling the wires out to avoid the coil being too tight............. personally its a bit faffy and with my hands and wrists............ its a bit awkward, I suppose as long as its not cutting into the wick, it should be ok

[ragjoy]

when i look at blakeys pics i see 6 wraps and although the zoom is on they seem a mile apart but if i follow that the ceramic is too narrow and the joins run just down both channels.
if there too close i think blakey said thats where im getting ohms fluctation 1.7 up to 2.6 or so, this is not happening now but did on my very first attempt.
is there a guide to say ie 5 wraps per 4cm of res wire.




raggy......

[ragjoy]

Aug 31, 2012 8:39:11 GMT esmecullen said:

Aug 31, 2012 8:29:00 GMT ragjoy said:

thanks esme,
rearding wrapping the res around the wick i read somewhere not to do it to tight, this is much of the problem i can get it real neat but im concerned that its too tight.
is there any pics anyone has seen of a comparison pics of too tight and i assume too loose.

raggy.........

Yes that right raggy............. dont wind it too tight! I dont know of any pics that you could use as a comaprison, but I'm sure someone will know of any if they are about.

I know some people use a needle to lay against the wick when they are coiling the wire, then pulling the wires out to avoid the coil being too tight............. personally its a bit faffy and with my hands and wrists............ its a bit awkward, I suppose as long as its not cutting into the wick, it should be ok

im going to try the needle as i think this will be helpful for me as im a bit heavy handed, it will be more awkward but i think the enn result will be better.
raggy..........

[ragjoy]

95% of the time now on my 3rd coil it is ok too good, with vaping but not sound
am i mistaking the vape whoosh crackle of the boge and the much lesser whoosh of the penelope for being not so good.
what i mean is the vape itself is good but theres no real whoosh, hiss compared to a boge is this just different methods or should i be expecting more whoosh or am i confusing the whoosh as the sound being the judging point.
not very well asked i know.
raggy......

[esmecullen]

Aug 31, 2012 8:39:11 GMT esmecullen said:

Aug 31, 2012 8:29:00 GMT ragjoy said:

thanks esme,
rearding wrapping the res around the wick i read somewhere not to do it to tight, this is much of the problem i can get it real neat but im concerned that its too tight.
is there any pics anyone has seen of a comparison pics of too tight and i assume too loose.

raggy.........

Yes that right raggy............. dont wind it too tight! I dont know of any pics that you could use as a comaprison, but I'm sure someone will know of any if they are about.

I know some people use a needle to lay against the wick when they are coiling the wire, then pulling the wires out to avoid the coil being too tight............. personally its a bit faffy and with my hands and wrists............ its a bit awkward, I suppose as long as its not cutting into the wick, it should be ok

Sorry raggy I meant to say........... pull the NEEDLE out........... not wires lol that would defeat the object

[blakey]

Raggy, the coils that I made in those pics are spaced out to fit inside penelope evenly, they can be made much closer together without problem. I seem to get a more even burn this way using GG atties. When I wick a bulli I make the coils so that they barely have a gap between them. The most important thing is that you don't make them too tight so as to strangle the wick and you don't make them too loose that you end up with dry spots and hot spots and a metalic taste when you vape.
The pin isn't required when using thicker guage wire on thicker wick but it will definitely prevent strangling s maybe worth trying and seeing if it works for you.
There's not much of a crackle with penelope but a nice swishing sound.

[bluemagnum]

Aug 31, 2012 8:55:26 GMT ragjoy said:

95% of the time now on my 3rd coil it is ok too good, with vaping but not sound
am i mistaking the vape whoosh crackle of the boge and the much lesser whoosh of the penelope for being not so good.
what i mean is the vape itself is good but theres no real whoosh, hiss compared to a boge is this just different methods or should i be expecting more whoosh or am i confusing the whoosh as the sound being the judging point.
not very well asked i know.
raggy......

Think of it like this, the Penelope's coil is sat in a nice thick clump of stainless, the boge's coil is sat in a piece of recycled bean tin. The thicker metal reduces the noise.

[steve386]

I was using a Dual Coil Tank before getting the Penny and I did miss the crackle at first. Seemed really strange having hardly any noise at all.

Saying that, I used Bel's Vivi Nova yesterday and got a loud pop out of it. Nearly jumped out of my seat

[ragjoy]

Aug 31, 2012 9:14:10 GMT blakey said:

Raggy, the coils that I made in those pics are spaced out to fit inside penelope evenly, they can be made much closer together without problem. I seem to get a more even burn this way using GG atties. When I wick a bulli I make the coils so that they barely have a gap between them. The most important thing is that you don't make them too tight so as to strangle the wick and you don't make them too loose that you end up with dry spots and hot spots and a metalic taste when you vape.
The pin isn't required when using thicker guage wire on thicker wick but it will definitely prevent strangling s maybe worth trying and seeing if it works for you.
There's not much of a crackle with penelope but a nice swishing sound.

thanks blakey,
see, its me expecting this huge whoosh but i get as you say a swishing (good description), i was going to say gurgle but its not, its much less than that.
the vape itself is good ish, now ive nearly sorted the juice flow (now back to 3/4 on PG).

Aug 31, 2012 9:14:19 GMT bluemagnum said:

Aug 31, 2012 8:55:26 GMT ragjoy said:

95% of the time now on my 3rd coil it is ok too good, with vaping but not sound
am i mistaking the vape whoosh crackle of the boge and the much lesser whoosh of the penelope for being not so good.
what i mean is the vape itself is good but theres no real whoosh, hiss compared to a boge is this just different methods or should i be expecting more whoosh or am i confusing the whoosh as the sound being the judging point.
not very well asked i know.
raggy......

Think of it like this, the Penelope's coil is sat in a nice thick clump of stainless, the boge's coil is sat in a piece of recycled bean tin. The thicker metal reduces the noise.

thanks BM,
im realising its a totally different vape and method, as yet i would say its not great just yet but ok to good.
ive had a good few mishaps along the way which wont be helping.
i wasnt turning it upside down to shut down and when i did turn it upside down to refill i then hadnt realised and then forgot that when you undo the top cap it can also turn the juice control. i was then filling with the juice control open thus total flooding out the bottom end, i have done that 3 times
learning curve and concentrating a bit more helps, slow is good.

raggy..........