Mixing question

[johnboy]

rogerh, am i right in thinking that vodka also increases the amount of vaper if mixed into any ejuice? #attachment#

[Roger]

Oct 19, 2012 13:18:29 GMT johnboy said:

rogerh, am i right in thinking that vodka also increases the amount of vaper if mixed into any ejuice?

Other way round JB. Vodka will slightly reduce vaper, but increase throat hit.

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Oct 19, 2012 13:42:37 GMT Roger said:

Other way round JB. Vodka will slightly reduce vaper, but increase throat hit.

Yes and No....

It will increase the throat hit, the diluting action will make the juice thinner...

But, it all depends on:-
(a) the equipment you are using to vaporise the juice
(b) the wattage produced at the coil
(c) the surface area of the coil also being matched with the wicking ability (no dry hits, no coil flooding).

If you are using say a Viva Nova or such like, then as they are more suited to thinner juices, the diluted juice, although thinner, will wick and therefore vape better and produce more vapour.

Its not all black and white.... experience and understanding your equipment is part of the key in knowing what ratios to mix to, what will work better, give the best flavour, TH, vapour and why.

[Roger]

Oct 19, 2012 15:05:41 GMT Frogster (The Alchemist) said:

Oct 19, 2012 13:42:37 GMT Roger said:

Other way round JB. Vodka will slightly reduce vaper, but increase throat hit.

Yes and No....

It will increase the throat hit, the diluting action will make the juice thinner...

But, it all depends on:-
(a) the equipment you are using to vaporise the juice
(b) the wattage produced at the coil
(c) the surface area of the coil also being matched with the wicking ability (no dry hits, no coil flooding).

If you are using say a Viva Nova or such like, then as they are more suited to thinner juices, the diluted juice, although thinner, will wick and therefore vape better and produce more vapour.

Its not all black and white.... experience and understanding your equipment is part of the key in knowing what ratios to mix to, what will work better, give the best flavour, TH, vapour and why.

Quite right Froggy, but JB asked if Vodka would increase the vapour if mixed into any juice, to which the simple answer is no.

[lobeydosser]

[/quote] OK, gotcha. I usually mix at about 70/30. That for me is a nice balance.

BTW, quite enjoying those eliquid labs flavours, do you get any sort of chocolate undertaste with them?[/quote]

Sorry for the length of time getting back to this, but I was away to town getting my Metal Mickey Knees through their 5 yearly MOT check.
I don't go back for another 5 years now unless I stray too close to a tin opener.

I haven't noticed any chocolate undertastes with eliquid labs, but then again, I have only tried 3 of them.
Cappuccino, bitter strong coffee taste, not what I expected from a cappucino flavour.
Menthol, slight hint of tobacco and a throat hit of Menthol but no menthol taste in the mouth.
Golden Leaves. A1 and one I want to do 50/50 before doing a couple of 50ml bottles of this.

[Roger]

Oct 19, 2012 15:24:42 GMT lobeydosser said:

Sorry for the length of time getting back to this, but I was away to town getting my Metal Mickey Knees through their 5 yearly MOT check.
I don't go back for another 5 years now unless I stray too close to a tin opener.

I haven't noticed any chocolate undertastes with eliquid labs, but then again, I have only tried 3 of them.
Cappuccino, bitter strong coffee taste, not what I expected from a cappucino flavour.
Menthol, slight hint of tobacco and a throat hit of Menthol but no menthol taste in the mouth.
Golden Leaves. A1 and one I want to do 50/50 before doing a couple of 50ml bottles of this.

LOL. It is the Golden Leaves. I like it a lot, but it's probably my taste buds then. Just a very slight chocolate taste, not unpleasant. If I can leave it alone I'll see what it's like in a week.

[johnboy]

Thanks Rogerh/Froggy.
I still have a lot to learn!!

[lobeydosser]

<<< LOL. It is the Golden Leaves. I like it a lot, but it's probably my taste buds then. Just a very slight chocolate taste, not unpleasant. If I can leave it alone I'll see what it's like in a week. >>>

My first lot of Golden Leaves I left with the cap on for 6 days, testing it every second day.
On day 7, I left the cap off and it was ready for the cap to go back on on day 9.

I am now on my second batch of Golden Leaves, this time 2 lots of 10ml, one with the cap off and the other with the cap on. They are both on day 3 so I have not tried them yet.

Tonight I will start batch 3, but with the AG/PG mix.

The other 2 mixes that I did exactly the same with is Royals and Virginia by F'Art and I am very pleased with both of these also.

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Oct 19, 2012 15:15:34 GMT Roger said:

Oct 19, 2012 15:05:41 GMT Frogster (The Alchemist) said:

Yes and No....

It will increase the throat hit, the diluting action will make the juice thinner...

But, it all depends on:-
(a) the equipment you are using to vaporise the juice
(b) the wattage produced at the coil
(c) the surface area of the coil also being matched with the wicking ability (no dry hits, no coil flooding).

If you are using say a Viva Nova or such like, then as they are more suited to thinner juices, the diluted juice, although thinner, will wick and therefore vape better and produce more vapour.

Its not all black and white.... experience and understanding your equipment is part of the key in knowing what ratios to mix to, what will work better, give the best flavour, TH, vapour and why.

Quite right Froggy, but JB asked if Vodka would increase the vapour if mixed into any juice, to which the simple answer is no.

Sorry to disagree,

But the simple answer is not "NO"....

Read my post and explination again. Diluting with vodka or water can give more vapour.

[Roger]

No need to be so condescending, Frogster. I've always trusted Grizwald and when he says:

"Using de-ionised water will produce a little more vapour than alcohol, and you can purchase it from all car part shops, or from any branch of Halfords. It's very cheap and a litre bottle will last a very long time. You can , if you wish, make your own but it is a laboriously long process and when I tried it took me 20 minutes just to collect 3ml, so hardly worth the effort.

Using alcohol does slightly reduce vapour, but will give a much better throat hit than water. In the US they use PGA (pure grain alcohol) which can get up to 180% proof, but you can't get it in the UK, so you need an alcohol that does'nt have a flavour such as rum, or brandy. I've found Vodka to be the best, but you should use a good quality high proof Vodka as cheap Vodka's leave juices tasting harsh."

So 2 respected mixers disagree slightly. JB's question was a simple one and I gave the simple answer from what I have read and experienced. We are not going to agree and I don't want this thread turning into a silly argument.

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

I am sorry if you took my post as condescending.

To clarify, with reasoning, based on science and a fair bit of experience…

Johnboy asked if thinning a mix with Vodka produces more vapour, you answered “No”.

I answered, It can be Yes and No…

It all depends on:-
(a) the equipment you are using to vaporise the juice
(b) the wattage being produced at the coil
(c) the surface area of the coil also being matched with the wicking ability (no dry hits, no coil flooding)

Thinning a juice with Vodka / water / etc, can help produce more vapour in certain circumstances if, for example, if the juice is very thick and the equipment i.e. wick cannot supply the coil effectively.

A juice can be too thick for certain types of equipment, it therefore will not vaporise correctly, giving poor flavour and vapour, in a situation like that, thinning the juice will improve both.

If the juice is already at the correct consistency for the equipment to allow for maximum wicking and the coil is effectively vapourising that liquid, then thinning the juice further would not help and may reduce vapour production.

What I was explaining is.... It is not a YES/NO answer, there is more to it than that!

[Roger]

OK, lets leave it at that I think.

BTW, I have a 'fair bit of experience' as well.