I get a bad reaction to flavored juices!

[sellaman]

I get a bad reaction to flavored juices! I have tried 6 flavors so far with 0 Nicotine. I have 2 Juice Whore flavorings, 2 home made flavorings made by my vendor, and 2 Chinese flavors. ( I don't know if it's Dekang)

I have tried vaping unflavored 60/40 PG,VG 0 nic and that has been the best so far. I can't sense any bad reaction.
But any of the 3 brands of flavoring I have, sends me into a head spin.

I have a feeling that when I get my organic flavored juices from Vaporite that my head won't spin , even if it has nicotine in it. It's only a guess. I expect to get my juices from Vaporite in about a week and then I'll know if organic juices and flavorings are better for me.

Has anyone else had similar reactions to flavorings?

Are there any other ways to flavor juices besides the ways that my other 6 juices were flavored? I know organic juice flavors are probably different in their chemical make up. That's why I have ordered some.

[Perpetua]

I've never had an adverse reaction I must confess Sellaman, but then I've the constitution of an ox . . . coming from a family of horrific cooks, it was pretty much essential.

You could try Menthol crystals as an alternative flavouring, are F'arts, The Perfumer's Apprentice flavourings available in Oz?

[Chrissie]

Same here, never had any adverse reactions to flavoured juice.

[sellaman]

Jul 15, 2011 22:24:31 GMT Perpetua said:

You could try Menthol crystals as an alternative flavouring, are F'arts, The Perfumer's Apprentice flavourings available in Oz?

Thanks...and yes, I'm looking for a completely different alternative to the usual flavoring chemicals. I just hope that the flavored juices I ordered fro Vaporite has a totally different chemical make up in their flavorings.
I will email The Perfumer's Apprentice and F'arts to see if they have a totally different chemical make up in their flavorings to the usual flavorings.

At Flavor Art it says;
Differences between natural and synthetic flavorings
Natural and synthetic flavors (often called natural identical) are defined for the consumer in the Code of Federal Regulations. A key line from this definition is the following: " a natural flavor is the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional." Synthetic flavors are those that are made from components that do not meet this definition.

But then it goes on to say;
The flavourings we develop and manufacture are considered safe for FOOD use only, as it is intended that they enter the body via the digestive system and not the lungs. Digestion involves acid breakdown, enzyme attack, kidney and liver processing. Inhaling flavourings, as a vapour, results in the chemicals (contained within these) entering directly into the blood stream where these essential biological processes are effectively by-passed. Whilst vaping can be compared to smelling scents in the open air; consumption of food flavours through inhalation has not yet been scientifically tested or evaluated for human safety.

So just as well I ordered from Vaporite because they sort of guarantee their juices.

[Tetsab]

This effect you have noticed does sound very unusual, Sellaman. While I'd not be surprised if very occasionally someone might get a reaction to a particular component in a flavouring it seems a bit strange that ALL the ones you have tried have caused such a noticeable reaction for you. Are they tobacco types or fruit or whatever?

Are there any foods which just don't agree with you or that have caused a similar kind of response? So many modern foods (and drinks, for that matter) contain flavourings of various kinds that it's actually quite difficult to avoid exposure to them at some point or another.

Alternatively, and please forgive me if this sounds like a daft question, these ARE actual juices intended for vaping aren't they - not concentrates intended for dilution before use? Vaping a neat concentrate probably would be pretty unpleasant - some are so strong that only very small quantities are required, literally a few drops in a small bottle of e-liquid can sometimes be quite sufficient.

It could even be worth trying experimenting by adding a few drops of one of the flavoured juices to a couple of ml of your unflavoured PG/VG mixture if you have a small container handy you could use to do this, and see if this provoked the same reaction or not. This might establish if there's some kind of threshold level which triggers what you have been experiencing.

I'd have to say I'm honestly a bit skeptical that there is anything all that significantly different about organic flavourings compared to others in a chemical sense. Basically vanilla tastes of vanilla mostly because it contains vanillin... and vanilla producers even boast about how high the vanillin content is in their pods! I went and looked up Vaperite.com and was left wondering how the heck do you make an 'organic' waffle flavouring? Something like apple I can understand, but waffle...?

At the end of the day though, it is basically true that the effect of inhaling materials intended as food flavourings (which all of them are) over the long term is probably the biggest unknown with vaping. It is certainly one of the reasons why I take exception to anyone describing vaping as "safe", because no-one actually knows this. By contrast, the long-term effects of inhaling tobacco smoke are only too well known - and not good at all.

There's simply no way that vaping can possibly be worse than smoking, and the improvement I have experienced in my own breathing makes it entirely worthwhile for me. Nothing else ever kept me from smoking in over 30 years, despite being well aware of how damaging it was. No attempt I'd made to stop ever lasted more than a few days, to my considerable shame and frustration.

I really do hope it will be possible to work something out that will allow you to experience the benefits of vaping for yourself, Sellaman. Whether you choose to continue with it or not can then be your own choice - exactly as smoking is, theoretically!

[sellaman]

Jul 16, 2011 2:49:29 GMT Tetsab said:

This effect you have noticed does sound very unusual, Sellaman. While I'd not be surprised if very occasionally someone might get a reaction to a particular component in a flavouring it seems a bit strange that ALL the ones you have tried have caused such a noticeable reaction for you. Are they tobacco types or fruit or whatever?

Firstly I have to say that this thread is only new so not many people have had a chance to read it. I wanted to know from other vapors if flavored juices disagreed with them and how they managed to overcome their problem. This is a reply from someone else that has similar problems to me and how he fixed the problem.

yeah, i think there is something in a certain vendors juices that cause me to have breathing issues strangely.
Its the only time i have encountered it and thankfully i have moved onto another vendor since.
Mostly just feels like a constriction in my lungs.

So you see , I'm not the only one that has experienced a problem with flavors!

And here's someone else with the same problem as mine.

I found I had nausea and dizziness when I vaped Dealextreme's menthol flavor. I was nervous that vaping wouldn't work for me, but when I switched to another dealextreme flavor, the dizziness and nausea went away the next day. I have since tried other flavors (local brand Denkat and dealextreme) and not had any similar reaction. I went back and tried a tank of menthol again and I was sick again.

Unfortunately, dealextreme doesn't list what is in their juices at all so I have no clue where to start. So my plan is to try different flavors and brands and see if I get the same reaction again and determine what exactly I am having issues with. I have a ton of ejuice coming from different vendors to try and isolate what caused my reaction.

Well, I have only had a chance to try one vendors juices and Vaporite's will be my second.

I have tried diluting my flavored doublers and , YES, it's better diluted but still not good enough. I can vape diluted flavored Juices for all morning but by afternoon , I'm feeling sick.

I was told to get juices off Vaporite by a long time and experienced vaporer , so that is what I did. If Vaporite flavored juices are good for me then I will have no problems.

[Deleted]

Remind me where you are and I'll see what I can research sellaman...

Have you tried TW?

Would personally be very wary of buying dealextreme or even manafont's juices

Joh

[sellaman]

Joh...I'm from Australia.
What is TW?

[Deleted]

Och yeah......it's one of those days LOL

totally wicked...

Don't know if you can import them or not though to Aus?

Boy an ear virus and the fire alarm is so not a good combo

Joh

[Tetsab]

Well, I shall meekly put my surprise away again and consider myself a little better informed, Sellaman. I'm still curious as to exactly which flavours you have; I'm not just being nosy - if they were all tobaccos it could be worth you trying fruit types instead as these would be compounded with very different ingredients.

I should have checked out the supplier you mentioned, Juice Whore, first. They certainly sound as if they know what they're about all right and they use and sell flavourings from both TPA (Perfumer's Apprentice) and FA (FlavourArts) according to their site. As a result I can't help but feel there's not a lot of point in trying those companies separately.

I would echo Jo's advice about DX (Dealextreme) and avoid as they really are at the bottom of the budget market and their juices could contain almost anything and your chances of getting a sensible answer to an enquiry about what is in it aren't good at all. TW on the other hand are pretty much at the top end of the market but I couldn't see much indication from a quick glance that they would ship to you in Aus.

Overall it sounds as if you've probably already been given very good advice by another local vaper and waiting until you can try the Vaperite juices is likely your best policy right now.

James at Paradisevape.co.uk does ship anywhere in the world, and has recently introduced a 'Naturals' range which are all made from natural extracts. He has helped numerous people who have had problems with reactions to PG etc. which are much less unusual than what you have described. It is probably worth consulting him if the Vaperite juice doesn't do the trick for you. He's also a member here (Jimmybat) and can be found in the Suppliers area but has only just returned from holiday which is why it wasn't worth pointing you at him until today. He's really the expert round here for this type of thing and I'm sure he'd do his level best to help if need be.

[sellaman]

Jul 16, 2011 23:50:57 GMT Tetsab said:

I'm still curious as to exactly which flavours you have; I'm not just being nosy - if they were all tobaccos it could be worth you trying fruit types instead as these would be compounded with very different ingredients.

I have Tobacco, Tuiti Fruit, Spearmint, Cola, and Coffee, all of which make my head spin.

Overall it sounds as if you've probably already been given very good advice by another local vaper and waiting until you can try the Vaperite juices is likely your best policy right now.

Yes, I have high hope for Vaporite's ejuices. If they fail , I will give up.

James at Paradisevape.co.uk does ship anywhere in the world, and has recently introduced a 'Naturals' range which are all made from natural extracts. He has helped numerous people who have had problems with reactions to PG etc. which are much less unusual than what you have described. It is probably worth consulting him if the Vaperite juice doesn't do the trick for you.

Thanks , I'll ask James to look at this thread and ask him for help.

[ian]

Please dont feel alone Sellaman,ive had issues regarding flavoured juices, which i discussed on here not so long ago.Im now vaping unflavoured juice and for a good reason.I know 100% that my issues are related to flavourings,ive proved it beyond doubt.Ive been vaping 13 months,the first 6 were problem free,the last 7 have been hell at times for both me and my dad.We have both had the same symptoms and are both feeling alot better after switching to unflavoured e-liquid.Its just frustrating as the taste is disgusting,i would love to see a good selection of natural flavour concentrates available, for those of us who have adverse reactions to flavourings.

[sellaman]

Jul 17, 2011 1:18:49 GMT ian said:

Please dont feel alone Sellaman

Thanks because it's so frustrating to think I was the only one with flavoring problems.

,ive had issues regarding flavoured juices, which i discussed on here not so long ago.

Can you give me the link to that thread please?

Im now vaping unflavoured juice and for a good reason.I know 100% that my issues are related to flavourings,ive proved it beyond doubt.

Yes, I proved it beyond doubt too. It's just that other people think I'm strange to be allergic to flavorings.

Ive been vaping 13 months,the first 6 were problem free,the last 7 have been hell at times for both me and my dad.We have both had the same symptoms and are both feeling alot better after switching to unflavoured e-liquid.Its just frustrating as the taste is disgusting,

Yes, the taste of unflavored ejuice is disgusting. Are you using nicotine in your unflavored PG or VG that you are vaping?

i would love to see a good selection of natural flavour concentrates available, for those of us who have adverse reactions to flavourings.

Have you tried Organic flavorings at Vaporite or any other vendor?

[Deleted]

DD can't stand flavoured juices so he just vapes unflavoured...

I barely taste them after a few puffs but still like them....

It's all about personal preferences...

Pray you get it sorted soo sellaman

Paradise vape does sound like a good option if vapourite don't prove promising

Hugs

Joh

[Tetsab]

As ever, I'm learning by the day. I am saddened though to hear that it seems that problems caused by flavourings in liquids may not be quite as unusual as I'd thought.

Sellaman, I don't think it strange that you might have a reaction to something in a flavouring, and I apologise if you thought that I'd implied that. I simply feel that it isn't likely to be ALL flavourings which will necessarily cause you a problem. In fact the first two responses you have mentioned from other people who had reactions would tend to confirm this view - in both cases they HAD found other flavours which did NOT cause them problems. I'm sorry to hear that Ian hasn't as yet been able to do the same, and hope that you will both be successful in finding alternatives which you can enjoy.

Clearly it would be helpful if you could establish exactly what the triggering factor seems to be, in the same way that your respondent who reacted badly to DX's menthol is doing. You would then be able to take steps to avoid that particular factor.

As you mentioned it can take a while before you begin to feel the onset of the unpleasant effects, I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile just trying out one of the flavours each day after the new ones arrive. This should help you to be more certain about whether or not there's a problem with that particular flavour.