Mods... You may need to delete this.. but...

[charon]

Raffles
lets be honest about this, we have GCHQ and I don't for a moment think they are all shiney and clean in this sort of thing,
The main problem is Like "Tricky Dickey" they have broken the 11th commandment

"Tho Shall Not get caught"

[jakethevape]

Oooo, a topic about political treason dont mind if I do! (PS: this is when people should say noooooooooooooooooooooo because I could clap off on and on about this subject)

REMEMBER REMEMBER THE 5TH OF NOVEMBER.
The Government's treason and plot.
I see no reason, why the Government's treason
should ever, be, forgot!

I know what I will be doing November 5th. Do you?

[oldsmokey]

I'm old enough to remember when we pointed ever-increasing numbers of nuclear-tipped ICBMs at each other - by and large I think I prefer aerial arrays!

[anna]

Oct 25, 2013 0:15:53 GMT Raffles said:

Oct 25, 2013 0:05:10 GMT womble said:

I think the main question is, is do we trust the people in charge to do the best job they can in the circumstances?

On the whole, I do, because believing otherwise is too scary to think about.

Unfortunately... I don't. Apart from Obama, who I do trust, but not the American system of government, as displayed in the recent financial chaos. It's time for someone to 'take the stage' because all the rest are just 'jobbing'!

Honestly? I felt as though America had taken on a new lease in life when Mr. Obama was elected his first term. After the 'Bush' years, it was like opening a window and letting in fresh air. He had an almost insurmountable task ahead of him trying to establish some credibility for The United States. I was so proud of him and in fact quite moved at times when he would speak.
But like all politicians, no matter how 'pure' there intentions at the beginning, they all end up dirtying their hands in some way or another. 
I'm American, born and bred. But I've now been out of that country for over 13 years. And my perspective has changed greatly since living here in the UK. Truth is, sometimes you can't see the woods for the trees. It seemed so big when I lived there, now it doesn't seem so overpowering. Yes, I know it's still a powerful country, but the flaws are beginning to reveal themselves more than ever. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
This latest revelation doesn't really come as a shock to anyone, does it? It's what bullies do. They try and tell the rest of the world what they can and cannot have, what they will and will not do. We've all gotton used to it, but that doesn't mean it's right.