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[mybad]

Unless your back handing you will never make money , not decent money anyway .

[lobeydosser]

Jul 17, 2014 13:21:34 GMT mybad said:

Unless your back handing you will never make money , not decent money anyway .

Since I was spending over 5 thou a year smoking, now that I have changed to e-cigs, I am making a fair bit of that back sitting on me bum vaping.

That, added to me works & oap pension and I am a happy little Pig in Poo, thank you very much!!!!

[amygx]

To start a business you NEED lots and lots and lots of money and time. First you need to buy your products or products you'll be using to make your products to ensure you have the supply to fulfil your orders. Then you have to factor in the cost of your stock+P&P+VAT and come up with a price to sell your product that will give you a profit while keeping your products cheap enough to be competitive, then there's a loooong waiting game for people to actually discover your product and begin buying it and they telling others about it and hopefully getting more orders and then you'll have yourself a business (after a year or two - if you're lucky.). Phew.

I don't think the home made e-juice business is for amateurs though, you will need a sterile environment like laboratory conditions if you plan to sell on a large scale. Most vendors who sell juice don't make it themselves anyway, they buy it ready made to their specifications in bulk from wherever and then put it in to bottles with their own brand labels on and sell it as their own. Like most products a lot of the generic juices are probably made by the same manufacturer and sold on by other businesses with different branding.

I do however think there is room for a bit of a 'niche' in the home made e-juice market. I'm surprised no one has yet set up a site dedicated to home mixers to sell/trade their juices as I think it would be quite a good thing to have. I'm sure most of us who make our own have bottles filled with juice that we don't like or use to like but have gone off and its just sitting there, they'll be people out there who like those flavours+nic levels etc. Could have an easy system of pay the postage+a little extra for our pocket and the juice is yours, better than pouring it down the sink or something lol. Or even selling/trading branded juice that you've bought but don't like, there's definitely room for some sort of "second hand" juice business.

Could call it "Re-Juice" or something for recycling your unwanted juices "Saving the planet one vape at a time." 

[lobeydosser]

<<<I do however think there is room for a bit of a 'niche' in the home made e-juice market. >>>

Hi amygx, Mmmmm, I wonder.

One of the reasons I make my own e-juice is that as I am going to be vaping it, I like to know how it has been made and what, precisely has gone into it.

As you say <<<I don't think the home made e-juice business is for amateurs>>> and home made e-juice does not come from <a sterile environment like laboratory conditions >.

It is so easy to make a mistake when making your own e-juice and a hurried hand or a mind not concentrating and the results could be horrendous if not fatal.

I have, in the past, given away e-juices that I have bought but not liked. I would never "sell" an opened bottle. My attitude is that if I have bought something and not liked it, then that was my mistake, but if someone else can use it, then they can have it. I would rather see it used than binned and if someone else is prepared to take a chance on it then that is up to them.
However I would never give away or sell any e-juice that I have made because although I know it to be safe and properly made, I have no qualifications or registration to back that up if anything went wrong and I ended up in court.

I have tried e-juices made by others but I do so in the full knowledge that this is at my own risk and no matter what happens, there will be no come back on the maker.

Anything that is made for consumption, especially where part of the recipe is a known poison, should be viewed with extreme caution.

[Deleted]

STOP


Rewind to only 3 years ago , I never heard anyone complaining when a new business set up and furthermore brought new eliquids to the market ( and also branded them )

Everything all of you have said ^^^^^^^^ up there actually happened , some made it and are still here now as respected retailers and purveyors of the finest equipment and juices .


And before anyone says .......... yes but the point is .............. hush ........... it was then as it is now

[lobeydosser]

The difference is @storm, I read on here about companies that others had tried and recommended them. I then bought small (7ml) samples and tried them for myself. I would never go out and buy any e-liquid from anyone that I wasn't sure knew what they were talking about and were themselves e-cig users.

The point is, that as things stand, anybody, absolutely anybody, be they experienced vapers or Joe Blogs off the street can make and sell e-juice and me, as the consumer, has no come back whether it is made from boni fidi pharmaceutical grade ingredients or Rat Poison.

It is easy to make, yes and sell, your own e-juice and I can see why it would be an attractive proposition to do so. Little expense and no skill required. The difficult part, at the moment will be the market place.
Then, if enough folks get on this band wagon, there will be rules and regulations brought in, not from big pharma or the tobacco companies but from a public health angle.

I don't know where the e-juice market is going, but it is now moving in another direction and it is a direction that horrifies me.

[sej016]

Responsible and experienced e-juice makers know and understand the existing law as it pertains to their product - formulating, hygiene, cleanliness, record keeping, QC and packaging and labeling.

The fly-by-night kitchen-sink juice makers do not, and do not care.

The experienced and professional juice makers engage in a self-regulating registration and control exercise. If they don't do it for themselves then some external body will do it for them - but you will likely still get kitchen-sink makers who are happy to operate outside the law. The only difference is that there will be one, and they can be prosecuted.

[Deleted]

I'm a kitchen sink maker , but there is no bloody way I would sell it on ,

too good for the riff raff anyways

[Gasper]

My mixes are God awful, no bugger would buy them. I'd be skint in 5 days

[CaptainChaos]

The problem is that the image of eliquid vendors IS a person in their kitchen, that person making the flavours the same way I do and then that person trying to sell them.

I would love to see vendors like T-juice, vapemunki etc etc and their setup, just to prove that it is a professional outfit.

I'd still but their stuff anyway, because their reputations are exceptionally good.

[thatguy]

Honestly, i believe a hybrid std is required. The hygiene and non contamination of food regs and measurement regs of pharmaceuticals.