Bad news from Sweden: All ecig / vaping considered medical.

[amygx]

Jul 17, 2014 18:47:51 GMT VapingBad said:

Under the upcoming UR Tobacco Product Directive (TPD) if 3 countries implement med regs on e-cigs the EU can implement them on the whole EU and Sweden was the third country to do this. So it could be very very bad, as there no e-cig that have medical approval and nothing that we would like will ever get it.

So the EU could wake up tomorrow and say from today all e-cigs need medical approval,  and that would be the end of us?

Businesses shut down,  livelihoods lost,  people out of work because they would be illegal to sell.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2014 19:05:13 GMT amygx said:

Jul 17, 2014 18:47:51 GMT VapingBad said:

Under the upcoming UR Tobacco Product Directive (TPD) if 3 countries implement med regs on e-cigs the EU can implement them on the whole EU and Sweden was the third country to do this. So it could be very very bad, as there no e-cig that have medical approval and nothing that we would like will ever get it.

So the EU could wake up tomorrow and say from today all e-cigs need medical approval,  and that would be the end of us?

Businesses shut down,  livelihoods lost,  people out of work because they would be illegal to sell.

Thats a small price to pay in the governments eyes.. every government around the world is faced with losing what would potentialy become billions of pounds... its screw you when money is at stake

[Deleted]

Looks like it's back on the snus then!

[clairea]

reading this www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/hardare-restriktioner-for-e-ciggen_3757322.svd which is where the news comes from says the ruling is not final yet it is likely to become final but with all these things you never know something may change in the meantime

[GunJack]

Christ!! If the forward-looking Swedes can do this, the we are probably well and truly screwed Even if it's been done to protect the SNUS market, it turns over the rest of us...

However...which other two countries have made them med-regs only ??

...and didn't the TPD specify that they were still consumer products, not medicines??

...this whole thing is becoming even more of a bugger's muddle than before.....


Calling Mr Bates, Mr Bates, telephone call.......

[VapingBad]

Apparently on the same FB page the Swedes are going to tax snus to make it more expensive than tobacco.

Atakan Befrits Dear all. Verdict is delivered by administrative court in Sweden. No it is not intended to protect snus. The current government is actually planning to raise taxes on snus to make them more expensive than ordinary cigarettes. Swedish official silence and political correctness on the tobacco harm reduction issue is actually directly responsible for the snus ban in Europe and for the knee - jerk aversion to any and all other THR products for entire Europe. Probably the entire world. Suppression of science and all that. Cheers

[GunJack]

Jul 17, 2014 21:17:03 GMT VapingBad said:

Apparently on the same FB page the Swedes are going to tax snus to make it more expensive than tobacco.

Atakan Befrits Dear all. Verdict is delivered by administrative court in Sweden. No it is not intended to protect snus. The current government is actually planning to raise taxes on snus to make them more expensive than ordinary cigarettes. Swedish official silence and political correctness on the tobacco harm reduction issue is actually directly responsible for the snus ban in Europe and for the knee - jerk aversion to any and all other THR products for entire Europe. Probably the entire world. Suppression of science and all that. Cheers

this has got to be a wind-up.... SNUS is the biggest single-country success story in THR, why on earth would the Swedes give up on it now?? Makes no sense at all

[toots]

I might be wrong but I thought the 3 country rule was not about med regs but a specific product such as a particular tank or whatever, that if 3 countries banned/opposed a particular tank/battery/dripper then that product would not be allowed in any country.

I always thought the EU Directive stated that it was up to individual countries to make the decision on whether to make e-cigs medicinally regulated in their own country.

Shoot me down if I'm wrong

[VapingBad]

Jul 17, 2014 21:46:48 GMT toots said:

I might be wrong but I thought the 3 country rule was not about med regs but a specific product such as a particular tank or whatever, that if 3 countries banned/opposed a particular tank/battery/dripper then that product would not be allowed in any country.

I always thought the EU Directive stated that it was up to individual countries to make the decision on whether to make e-cigs medicinally regulated in their own country.

Shoot me down if I'm wrong

That does ring a bell toots, I know they discussed this on VTTV a month or two ago.

[markm]

Jul 17, 2014 21:46:48 GMT toots said:

I might be wrong but I thought the 3 country rule was not about med regs but a specific product such as a particular tank or whatever, that if 3 countries banned/opposed a particular tank/battery/dripper then that product would not be allowed in any country.

I always thought the EU Directive stated that it was up to individual countries to make the decision on whether to make e-cigs medicinally regulated in their own country.

Shoot me down if I'm wrong

That was my understanding too.

[boyofford]

Everytime a thread like this pops up with more bad news I feel more pissed off regards EU / governments meddling regards vaping  

[gibla53]

Jul 17, 2014 21:46:07 GMT GunJack said:

Jul 17, 2014 21:17:03 GMT VapingBad said:

Apparently on the same FB page the Swedes are going to tax snus to make it more expensive than tobacco.

this has got to be a wind-up.... SNUS is the biggest single-country success story in THR, why on earth would the Swedes give up on it now?? Makes no sense at all

Even though that is true, WHO have gotten their claws into Sweden ,the Health Ministry unbelievably are trying hard to reduce SNUS useage to gain WHO brownie points 

[thatguy]

Dr WHO brownie points I presume. Seems like they are going back in time

[Montana]

The sentence

                    "We believe that e-smokes are a great way for smoking cessation but then it must first get an approved product."

Just goes to show that they really haven't got a clue on what they are talking about with regard to E-cigs and also it's to do with money and nothing else.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least that junior MP's have been giving euro MP's the sales figures of E-Cigs and related products , then gone to an EU meeting found that they are losing out on a shed load of money and thought "We'll make up a lies ( latest ECITA report ANYONE ) about these things so we can put the safety banner up and make our "friends"   ( E.G Tobacco and Pharmaceutical companies ( probably the two largest political donators )) happy and get a lot of money in return".

With this they are killing two birds with one stone , and what do we get in return ?  Bad products that don't deliver and turn most of the vapers back to stinkies.If that were to happen they would lose ALL the money they had made to the health services with increased tobacco related illnesses.

UNLESS , you are a real conspiracy theorist and think that the EU is trying to save money for their member health services by allowing smoking to continue , thus killing off a certain percentage of the population early and save them NOT looking after an aging world.As the UK ( probably most other EU member states are the same ) is now very much an aging nation and the government already doesn't know where they are going to get the money for hospitals and homes for the rapidly rising pensioners there are and related health care costs.

OR are they just thinking in the short term and just thinking about the money they can get in tomorrow ?

I also thought that in a court of law , you were innocent to proven guilty , in this case , where is the scientific evidence to prove that these products are dangerous in their current form , Oh yes, that's right, their ISN'T ANY.

Other than EU trade , WHY are we still in the EU , they make laws for us that even our own governments have been opposing for the last 20 years ?

Rant over, for now.

Andy

[thatguy]

Caffeine has a more pronounced effect on humans than alcohol. So following simple logic all caffine products should be regulated in the same or a stricter fashion. It won't be. Nescafe, Coca cola, pepsi etc would be up in arms so the EU would capitulate.

Has anyone proven the long term risks of artificial sweeteners? Any comparison about the dosage control of alcohol or stinkies(same as e-cigs). Vapour has comparable particulate matter as our own centre roads. Nicotine is not harmful, but tar and CO are. If e-cigs are gateway products due to flavours, then all alcopops and most liqueurs and cocktails are as well.

When will the mini fuhrers admit this is all about the money and nothing else.

Vive la vaping!! Forza Vapers!!