Cherry Bomber SAFETY ISSUE!!

[charon]

Have put a link on Postting about Focale, this is one of the "groupbuy" offers, have tagged Foclecig hopefully will get a rapid responce

[Get Off My Cloud]

Apr 21, 2015 18:56:36 GMT jeffc said:

Get Off My Cloud Sorry I cannot agree with you on this matter, this box mod as shown can auto fire.

Even you stated :but they should have coated the outside with a non conductive material.

This mod is not fit for purpose, just hope those "fecking antz" don`t go to town on it.

I never said it can't auto fire, i said it's not going to suddenly auto fire out of the blue, it will do it the instant the atty is screwed down and touches the case.
It's not going to be fine for half an hour and then suddenly start firing by itself.

It's going to take any user less than a couple of seconds to notice it auto firing and just unscrew the atty a couple of turns, no longer than an average toot when vaping so there is no danger of the batteries venting.

The only danger here is someone throwing it in a pocket or bag with a metal object and that object completing the circuit between the mod casing and the atty.

[charliehorse]

Some people are putting attys on that are too big ? WTF.
The sub tank doesn't look too big on it in the video to me, physical size wise.
Serious problem and very bad design that, in my humble opinion should not be for sale till it's sorted.

Thanks for putting up the video @zuza as the facebook page one was just a spinning circle of wait for me and thanks for highlighting the issue richo71

[richo71]

Apr 21, 2015 19:19:05 GMT charliehorse said:

Some people are putting attys on that are too big ? WTF.
The sub tank doesn't look too big on it in the video to me, physical size wise.
Serious problem and very bad design that, in my humble opinion should not be for sale till it's sorted.

Thanks for putting up the video @zuza as the facebook page one was just a spinning circle of wait for me and thanks for highlighting the issue richo71

Thanks, yeah i needed to post it on our forum too as we don't need devices like this especially as we are been scrutinized by all the governing bodies wanting our balls on a plate etc

[Get Off My Cloud]

Apr 21, 2015 19:19:05 GMT charliehorse said:

Some people are putting attys on that are too big ? WTF.
The sub tank doesn't look too big on it in the video to me, physical size wise.
Serious problem and very bad design that, in my humble opinion should not be for sale till it's sorted.

Thanks for putting up the video @zuza as the facebook page one was just a spinning circle of wait for me and thanks for highlighting the issue richo71

There is a ring of delrin around the 510 connector to act as an insulator it's only designed to be used with 22mm atties, the Subtank is 25mm wide so the bottom of the atty touches the body of mod outside of that insulated area and completes the circuit making it auto fire that's what he means by too big.

[Perpetua]

Apr 21, 2015 18:28:52 GMT jeffc said:

Chrissie could you please mark. SAFETY ISSUE MUST READ on OP. Thank you.

I've added a ' Please Read ' label to the thread jeffc . . . . .

[jeffc]

Perpetua Thank you Mandy, always a `star`.

[charliehorse]

Apr 21, 2015 19:34:19 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Apr 21, 2015 19:19:05 GMT charliehorse said:

Some people are putting attys on that are too big ? WTF.
The sub tank doesn't look too big on it in the video to me, physical size wise.
Serious problem and very bad design that, in my humble opinion should not be for sale till it's sorted.

Thanks for putting up the video @zuza as the facebook page one was just a spinning circle of wait for me and thanks for highlighting the issue richo71

There is a ring of delrin around the 510 connector to act as an insulator it's only designed to be used with 22mm atties, the Subtank is 25mm wide so the bottom of the atty touches the body of mod outside of that insulated area and completes the circuit making it auto fire that's what he means by too big.

Yeah I get what you are saying, but for example,  a clouper mini is 22mm wide, so designed for attys up to 22mm but there is nothing to stop you screwing on a bigger diameter one. It may look silly but there you go.
Lots of people will take it to mean something similar and not everyone selling them will state the potential risk.
I just think it's a very bad design, that even with the correct size atty could auto fire in a bag or pocket with some keys or such like causing the short.
Like I said, it's only my opinion 

[phtumshk]

Ah, now ive seen the video I understand.
Thought they meant it was shorting rather than firing

[geordie_vaper]

its a crap mod anyways look at it haha.. but joking aside the original has the same issue, how the hell can somthing like that not get found out in the production and testing stages? buch of cowboys

[Get Off My Cloud]

Apr 21, 2015 20:09:04 GMT charliehorse said:

Apr 21, 2015 19:34:19 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

There is a ring of delrin around the 510 connector to act as an insulator it's only designed to be used with 22mm atties, the Subtank is 25mm wide so the bottom of the atty touches the body of mod outside of that insulated area and completes the circuit making it auto fire that's what he means by too big.

Yeah I get what you are saying, but for example,  a clouper mini is 22mm wide, so designed for attys up to 22mm but there is nothing to stop you screwing on a bigger diameter one. It may look silly but there you go.
Lots of people will take it to mean something similar and not everyone selling them will state the potential risk.
I just think it's a very bad design, that even with the correct size atty could auto fire in a bag or pocket with some keys or such like causing the short.
Like I said, it's only my opinion 

I agree it's a silly design, but it's not faulty components and the device is safe if used correctly, i thought it was a little unfair of the OP to bag on Puff Palace for pointing out to customers why they are experiencing auto firing which as far as i'm aware no other vendors have bothered doing.
They aren't selling faulty goods that's just how the device works.

The way i see it it's a similar thing to people a little while ago using atties without protruding positive pins on hybrid mods and hard shorting the battery, it doesn't stop vendors selling hybrid mods and nobody blamed the vendors because the end user was using an inappropriate topper.

The fact the circuit could be completed by another metal object in a bag or pocket is a concern though, but the atty thing is no big deal.

[richo71]

Apr 21, 2015 20:27:55 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Apr 21, 2015 20:09:04 GMT charliehorse said:

Yeah I get what you are saying, but for example,  a clouper mini is 22mm wide, so designed for attys up to 22mm but there is nothing to stop you screwing on a bigger diameter one. It may look silly but there you go.
Lots of people will take it to mean something similar and not everyone selling them will state the potential risk.
I just think it's a very bad design, that even with the correct size atty could auto fire in a bag or pocket with some keys or such like causing the short.
Like I said, it's only my opinion 

I agree it's a silly design, but it's not faulty components and the device is safe if used correctly, i thought it was a little unfair of the OP to bag on Puff Palace for pointing out to customers why they are experiencing auto firing which as far as i'm aware no other vendors have bothered doing.
They aren't selling faulty goods that's just how the device works.

The way i see it it's a similar thing to people a little while ago using atties without protruding positive pins on hybrid mods and hard shorting the battery, it doesn't stop vendors selling hybrid mods and nobody blamed the vendors because the end user was using an inappropriate topper.

The fact the circuit could be completed by another metal object in a bag or pocket is a concern though, but the atty thing is no big deal.

I agree with some of what you say about understanding the atties customers attach, but the Nail in the coffin for me is the quote in bold and for me this is why i highlighted it as a safety issue imo and has been designed with a safety issue built in and it is for this reason the device imho should not be sold. As for the OP bagging i think the FB post which he promptly removed put the emphasis on the customers Know how??? when clearly it has an external safety issue whilst effectively not in use ie in a bag, pocket etc. The device safety issue is not something i think we can accept to come onto the Market as a vaping community. Well these are just my opinions but i think i have done right by highlighting it to all potential customers if any and customers who have already purchased one.

[Get Off My Cloud]

richo71 Yep it's good to know the device has a daft design which could be a safety issue

[Foclecig]

charon thanks for tagging me. I will forward the video and report the problem to Ivogo and will give response as soon as I can. In the meanwhile, the group buy one doesn't come from ivogo, that is for sure.

[thatguy]

Another example of why i feel safer with mechs. This kinda crap and the mini clouper fiasco make me really appreciate the simplicity of a good nemesis or caravela. Whoever designed this shouldn't be left alone to wire a plug never mind design an electronic device for sale to the public.