Snow wolf 200 watts

[gm111]

Aug 20, 2015 13:59:19 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Aug 20, 2015 13:46:15 GMT gm111 said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure lipo's a safer way to vape than 18650 as lipo's have a much higher continuous amp therefore not putting as much stress on the battery and less likely to vent, okay so the chemistry is different but when vaping you would never put a lipo through its paces like a rc car does unlike an 18650 which you would be pushing it to its limits when vaping even with a sony vtc at 75w. Get Off My Cloud

Yes they have higher discharge limits hence why they're needed for the DNA200 but when they do vent the difference is dramatic, it's like opening a shook up can of beer compared to a roman candle, an 18650 IMR is going to get hot and fizz out some gas, a LiPo is going to violently shoot fire, which would you rather happen?
Pushing the battery beyond it's continuous discharge rating isn't the only thing that can cause a battery to vent.

In my eyes a lipo is safer, in the way we use them they will never vent, there have been 18650 explode violently in ecigs but I've never heard of it with a lipo, neither are safe they are going to cause the same damage to you if left to explode. But an 18650 is more likely to vent than a lipo as you can get much higher amp lipos. I'm just going to wait for one of our battery experts to put their side in

[Die5el]

Get Off My Cloud Would i need to change my genuine sony vtc 5 for the sigeli 150 watts or should i use different ones as i have 8 of the sonys and don't want to stress them to a point where they could vent.

[gm111]

Aug 20, 2015 14:25:37 GMT Die5el said:

Get Off My Cloud Would i need to change my genuine sony vtc 5 for the sigeli 150 watts or should i use different ones as i have 8 of the sonys and don't want to stress them to a point where they could vent.

You will be fine as long as they have been kept in pairs (charged and discharged together).

[Die5el]

Thank you for the quick reply gm111 they have been kept in pairs and i always charge them together as i have other duel battery mech mods and i don't do really low builds normally 0.4 ohms but the lowest i have vaped at so far is a .3 build but too warm vape for me running a .7 build at the moment at 30 watts home made vanilla custard 80vg/ 20pg

[Get Off My Cloud]

Aug 20, 2015 14:25:37 GMT Die5el said:

Get Off My Cloud Would i need to change my genuine sony vtc 5 for the sigeli 150 watts or should i use different ones as i have 8 of the sonys and don't want to stress them to a point where they could vent.

No those would be perfect.
As with all dual battery devices keep the same two batteries paired up at all times, use the same two batteries together, charge both together.

[Die5el]

Thank you dr00g

[Get Off My Cloud]

Aug 20, 2015 14:15:56 GMT gm111 said:

Aug 20, 2015 13:59:19 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Yes they have higher discharge limits hence why they're needed for the DNA200 but when they do vent the difference is dramatic, it's like opening a shook up can of beer compared to a roman candle, an 18650 IMR is going to get hot and fizz out some gas, a LiPo is going to violently shoot fire, which would you rather happen?
Pushing the battery beyond it's continuous discharge rating isn't the only thing that can cause a battery to vent.

In my eyes a lipo is safer, in the way we use them they will never vent, there have been 18650 explode violently in ecigs but I've never heard of it with a lipo, neither are safe they are going to cause the same damage to you if left to explode. But an 18650 is more likely to vent than a lipo as you can get much higher amp lipos. I'm just going to wait for one of our battery experts to put their side in

It's not just about the amp rating, LiPo packs contain several cells if one goes bad the battery could fail, if one cells gets damaged the battery could fail, if the charge isn't balanced properly the battery can fail, if the battery gets crushed or pierced for any reason the battery can fail, if they get too hot they can fail, if moisture gets into the pack, it can fail.

P.S fail means catastrophic thermal runaway, fire and possible explosion.

Yes if proper care is taken risk is minimal but even so the risk still exists even if proper care is taken, user error is not always to blame.

I just find it ironic that Evolv developed TC as a precautionary measure to make vaping "safer" even though the science isn't in yet but then go out and release a board which uses a battery which is proven to be one of the more unsafe and dangerous kinds on the market.

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You only have to look at the problems Boeing had with the Dreamliner to see how destructive Li Poly batteries can be, and this is in a area where everything is checked and checked again. If I remember correctly it came down to the charging system they used over charging the batteries, Luckily all the incidents seemed to occur on the ground.

The charging process is where most failures usually occur, it was certainly the case with any I saw reported in R/C circles. ( Unlees some stuck a knife in it for You Tube) and they did .

[Die5el]

My Sigelei 150 Watt Temperature Control Mod from Kingz of Vapour arrived this morning so now i got 2 tc mods the other one was the sigelei 75 watt tc both from kingz of vapour both great price ,hopefully my order for Nickel Ni200 Wire 0.35mm / 27AWG x 25m Reel (Tempered) will turn up from Stealthvape in the morning so i can try tc in both mods at the moment running a .4 kanthal duel coil at 30 watts with some home made steeped custard 80vg /20pg in the velocity dripper it tastes delicious .i have got to say a big thank you to all who gave me advice it was much appreciated and very helpful.

[Get Off My Cloud]

Cool now you need a Smok TFV4 to sit on the 150w, it's an awesome combo

[gm111]

Aug 20, 2015 15:01:00 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Aug 20, 2015 14:15:56 GMT gm111 said:

In my eyes a lipo is safer, in the way we use them they will never vent, there have been 18650 explode violently in ecigs but I've never heard of it with a lipo, neither are safe they are going to cause the same damage to you if left to explode. But an 18650 is more likely to vent than a lipo as you can get much higher amp lipos. I'm just going to wait for one of our battery experts to put their side in

It's not just about the amp rating, LiPo packs contain several cells if one goes bad the battery could fail, if one cells gets damaged the battery could fail, if the charge isn't balanced properly the battery can fail, if the battery gets crushed or pierced for any reason the battery can fail, if they get too hot they can fail, if moisture gets into the pack, it can fail.

P.S fail means catastrophic thermal runaway, fire and possible explosion.

Yes if proper care is taken risk is minimal but even so the risk still exists even if proper care is taken, user error is not always to blame.

I just find it ironic that Evolv developed TC as a precautionary measure to make vaping "safer" even though the science isn't in yet but then go out and release a board which uses a battery which is proven to be one of the more unsafe and dangerous kinds on the market.

That's the thing, I've never seen a vaping device go wrong with a lipo, the mvp's have them for instance? The dna board is designed with a balance charger to stop anything happening, if a cell goes bad the board won't work, if the battery is connected wrong the board won't work.. They've thought this through well and I still stand where I said I feel safer with a lipo at 200w than 18650s.. I'm not going to drop my mod for instance or puncture it but if I do drop it I will give a thorough inspection too the battery and I have a spare waiting incase it's damaged. Also rc cars and planes get beaten up and crashed and are being used constantly at full power, a mod isn't it, it's a 5 second puff here and there.. I guess we have all got our own opinions

[Get Off My Cloud]

Aug 21, 2015 21:57:57 GMT gm111 said:

Aug 20, 2015 15:01:00 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

It's not just about the amp rating, LiPo packs contain several cells if one goes bad the battery could fail, if one cells gets damaged the battery could fail, if the charge isn't balanced properly the battery can fail, if the battery gets crushed or pierced for any reason the battery can fail, if they get too hot they can fail, if moisture gets into the pack, it can fail.

P.S fail means catastrophic thermal runaway, fire and possible explosion.

Yes if proper care is taken risk is minimal but even so the risk still exists even if proper care is taken, user error is not always to blame.

I just find it ironic that Evolv developed TC as a precautionary measure to make vaping "safer" even though the science isn't in yet but then go out and release a board which uses a battery which is proven to be one of the more unsafe and dangerous kinds on the market.

That's the thing, I've never seen a vaping device go wrong with a lipo, the mvp's have them for instance? The dna board is designed with a balance charger to stop anything happening, if a cell goes bad the board won't work, if the battery is connected wrong the board won't work.. They've thought this through well and I still stand where I said I feel safer with a lipo at 200w than 18650s.. I'm not going to drop my mod for instance or puncture it but if I do drop it I will give a thorough inspection too the battery and I have a spare waiting incase it's damaged.

No manufacturing process is perfect, neither the battery or the board.
Damage can happen to items in transit.
Faults can occur with age.

Speaking personally if a fault does occur i would prefer a fizz to a fiery bang.

I'm not saying these things are going to be blowing up left right and centre i'm just saying that when one does fail it's a lot worse than an IMR and to me it makes no sense to switch to a battery type that is more dangerous when it does fail.

[Die5el]

Just a little update my Nickel Ni200 Wire arrived this morning from stealthvape did a 9 wrap coil @3mm it came out @ .16 vaping some home made energy cow 80 vg /20 pg @ 28.5 watts @310 f in my tobh v1 dripper on my Sigelei 75 watts getting excellent taste and great vapour. My only regret is that i should of tried tc sooner lol .