TW/Joyetech stranglehold on the Cuboid

[nanotm]

Jan 9, 2016 12:53:14 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I'm beginning to think that TW are trying to tie up the UK supply on many of the popular Chinese manufacturers. They also have a lock on eLeaf products which is restricting many of the decent Chinese sellers from selling to the UK. Fortunately for us there are a few who are obviously selling on the gray market, giving us a choice. Which TW seem hell bent on restricting for their own profit, not the benefit of vapers. While I support their legal challenge, they are doing it for their own benefit first and foremost.

well given the TPD that would also put them as the sole group responsible for filing all the device notifications, making themselves the sole point of contact might not be a bad move so long as they don't hog all the devices and crank the prices up for maximum profits, thee certainly big enough to act as importer/wholesaler for a wide range of stuff given their current size and financial backing.

it will all depend on how they play the game, if they start profiteering or forcing others to become TW franchise holders then it could be very bad, otoh if they corner the import market and become a clearing house it might just increase the numbers of each device available and push prices down ensuring a stable supply point which would be very good across the board....

time will tell how this pans out, I'll hope it goes in a similar way to the governments tpd2 response, and if not then I'll just do the same as others and buy online from overseas

[Bobsbeer]

Given TW's reputation to date, I won't be surprised if they crank up the prices to maximise profits. It's an understandable position to take, but not good for us the consumer. The only tempering thing is that the gray market will continue to exist, which is fine for those in the know, but not good for those just starting out. While I don't foresee the likes of here changing after TPD, not all vapers end up on forums as our numbers tell us. I started my vaping journey courtesy of TW as they were the only name I knew. I'm sure I was not alone, but joining here and other forums soon set me on the right path.

[nanotm]

Bobsbeer

well that's a fair point this wasn't the first forum I happened to land on when looking up ecigs but it was the first one I felt happy to join, actually thinking about it this is the only vape forum I joined, I think a couple of places I bought gear from gave me forum access for opening a store account but Ive never actualy bothered to login to them lol, strangly enough though a lot of websites ive looked at in the last few weeks do carry the AAEC sticker so its quite possible were going to get a much bigger community as more people start vapeing and signing up to ask questions pretty much the same as I did lol

[Bobsbeer]

I don't think I am unique in that I wanted to start vaping, bought an ecig from TW, and then needed answers. So went online, found here and stayed. While my story I'm sure is similar to many on here, we sadly are the minority. Many either aren't internet savvy, or don't go on forums etc. Or more likely only go on the likes of faceache or other social type media for information. When you think there are over 2.5 million vapers out there, but only about 50,000 on the three main forums. Even if you double that with lurkers, that is still a small proportion of the vapers out there.

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Jan 10, 2016 20:15:08 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I don't think I am unique in that I wanted to start vaping, bought an ecig from TW, and then needed answers. So went online, found here and stayed. While my story I'm sure is similar to many on here, we sadly are the minority. Many either aren't internet savvy, or don't go on forums etc. Or more likely only go on the likes of faceache or other social type media for information. When you think there are over 2.5 million vapers out there, but only about 50,000 on the three main forums. Even if you double that with lurkers, that is still a small proportion of the vapers out there.

I think most folks set out the same way Bobsbeer. I did, but my early, early vaping experience wasn't great. It was only after deciding that there must be better vaping equipment than an ego and a twenty puff throw away clearo, that I stumbled across this forum. It would have been easy to say "na, vaping is not for me" and gone back to the wicked weed. The first concentrates I purchased were from TW, they were ok . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . until I discovered Chefs Vapour, thanks to the members here.

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Jan 10, 2016 6:24:55 GMT robby said:

Jan 9, 2016 12:53:14 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I'm beginning to think that TW are trying to tie up the UK supply on many of the popular Chinese manufacturers. They also have a lock on eLeaf products which is restricting many of the decent Chinese sellers from selling to the UK. Fortunately for us there are a few who are obviously selling on the gray market, giving us a choice. Which TW seem hell bent on restricting for their own profit, not the benefit of vapers. While I support their legal challenge, they are doing it for their own benefit first and foremost.

Absolutely, typical TW tactics, they have been doing this for years. Pure self interest. Like their TPD challenge, calculated massive publicity and marketing in my opinion.

Bobbeer TW have Joytech Eleaf and Wismec under exclusive rights, but as we know where there a will there a way and all 3 of these companies' are under the one umbrella they will turn a blind eye too big Chinese vendors selling too the UK… which is a good thing for us.

As much as the TPD challenge maybe a publicity stunt, got too give TW thanks they have took the battle too them and I should think their legal bill so far would be some serious money.

[Bobsbeer]

I agree that the legal challenge was/is good for us all, but lets not forget that many vapers also contributed to their legal bill, so they won't be that badly stung by it. I'm sure in time we will see whether TW locking up the UK supply is good or bad for UK vapers. I'm also sure that there is more to this than we realise in terms of tactics here, but we will see. Much depends on how TPD works out in the UK.